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Re:Developer tools to create spatial experiences for Apple V... by thebricklayr on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @05:33PM (#36424926)
Honestly, I am pretty excited to start building new AR-powered cooking experiences for Umami[1].

One thing I am worried about though: is the passthrough reliable enough for someone to use a sharp kitchen knife safely while wearing it?

[1] https://www.umami.recipes/

Re:Developer tools to create spatial experiences for Apple V... by makeitdouble on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @06:27PM (#36425553)
Isn't there also the issue of the device overheating ? accidental water projection ? oil projections ? Camera fogging ? The battery dying while doing something and you're suddenly blind ?

I think the Apple demo of people mostly sitting on a couch is not a lack of imagination, but a pragmatic approach of how this device should be used.

Re:Developer tools to create spatial experiences for Apple V... by thebricklayr on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @06:46PM (#36425740)
You may be right. My hope is the AVP is at least step toward something that could make potentially dangerous physical activities, like cooking, safer (e.g., by showing you the temperature of a surface before you touch it with your hands, as suggested elsewhere in this thread).
Re:Developer tools to create spatial experiences for Apple V... by makeitdouble on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @07:10PM (#36426004)
It really makes it a pity the Hololens didn't go anywhere. I wonder how much time we'll have to wait for a device that actually aims for that space, and not a portable display like the AVP seems to be.
Re:Developer tools to create spatial experiences for Apple V... by basisword on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @06:58PM (#36425868)
I feel like even if it is good enough it’s only a matter of time until it lags and you lose a finger. Lulling us into a false sense of security is the real danger.
Re:Developer tools to create spatial experiences for Apple V... by Aeolun on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @07:25PM (#36426149)
I don’t know about you, but it’ll be obvious to me in much less than 1ms when the passthrough is lagging. You know your hand moves, so when you don’t see it move it’s incredibly jarring.
Re:Developer tools to create spatial experiences for Apple V... by Jeff_Brown on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @07:31PM (#36426205)
You might be special. (I'm not being snarky.) I'm a digital musician. 5 ms lag is just barely perceptible to most of us.

My intuition regarding proprioception is similar to yours, though -- give me laggy input of my own hands and I'm still pretty likely to get things right.

Re:Developer tools to create spatial experiences for Apple V... by Aeolun on Thursday June 22, 2023 @07:19AM (#36430441)
Well, yeah, it was a figure of speech, the refresh rate is 8ms or so, so you wouldn’t notice it before that in any case :)
Re:Developer tools to create spatial experiences for Apple V... by planede on Thursday June 22, 2023 @07:24AM (#36430470)
Sound travels around 1.7 meters in 5ms. Acoustic musicians can play fine while being apart more of that distance, although there is a tendency to slow down, unless consciously keeping the tempo up (everyone individually feel that they are rushing a little bit, but that's how they just keep the pace).

There is a huge difference between consistent latency and jitter, but even then I doubt that 1ms latency + 1ms jitter would be very noticeable.

Re:Developer tools to create spatial experiences for Apple V... by ramraj07 on Thursday June 22, 2023 @03:59AM (#36429239)
Even if it’s almost fine, do you really want to encourage someone to hold a knife with your app and a big black box in front of their eyes, ready for any litigation?

I’m definitely getting a vision pro the moment I can, but I am most definitely not going to wear one when I’m handling anything other than a keyboard on my couch.

Re:Developer tools to create spatial experiences for Apple V... by losvedir on Thursday June 22, 2023 @08:04AM (#36430842)
Damn, a bunch of worry warts in your other responses. I feel like I could safely manage a knife if I closed my eyes, or if I was cooking at night and my power went out! Like, I wouldn't immediately chop off a finger... I could manage to set it down. Sheesh.

I'm planning to be a Day 1 user of AVP to see what I can build with it, and I look forward to your cooking app!