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Re:Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights ... by derelicta on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @10:30AM (#36418913)
Argument makes sense if you conveniently forget it's workers in the first place who created the company's wealth.
Re:Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights ... by johngladtj on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @10:53AM (#36419264)
The workers didn't create the wealth. The owners did.

The workers sold their time and labor, and we're compensated according to what they negotiated.

Why should they be entitled to anything more?

Re:Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights ... by synetic on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @10:59AM (#36419340)
Individual workers have unequal bargaining power vs. the employer in almost all cases. The power differential is what makes the situation inherently unfair.
Re:Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights ... by derelicta on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @11:10AM (#36419479)
Try running a factory without its workers. Or a bar without its bartenders. Or a software company without its software developpers.
Re:Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights ... by myspy on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @10:57AM (#36419312)
The owners wouldn't have been able to make more out of their company without others working for them. So yes, they did create the wealth. The owners could've died at some point and the company still would create the wealth.

Up until to a certain point it takes those owners but it's a synergy.

Re:Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights ... by j_walter on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @11:12AM (#36419515)
The workers could die at some point too, they will be replaced by new workers and no one would notice the difference. When do you notice the difference...when the owners or the top management are changed and the company strategy changes...not when a new iStore employee gets hired.
Re:Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights ... by mrguyorama on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @11:26AM (#36419762)
Funny, every company I have ever been a part of has taken out life insurance policies on me explicitly because if I suddenly die, it will take a while to replace me and it will cost a good amount to replace me.
Re:Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights ... by j_walter on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @11:50AM (#36420104)
That means you are near the top of the company and are a strategic value...do you think every Apple employee, or more specifically the ones targeted by this union, are the same value?
Re:Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights ... by mrguyorama on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @12:13PM (#36420432)
I'm barely above a junior dev. The reality is those policies are pennies and would just be a payday for the company and offset the replacement cost.
Re:Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights ... by refurb on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @01:19PM (#36421469)
Compensation is based on supply and demand. If you're a hardware expert that Apple absolutely must hire, then you made out like a bandit.

If you're a retail worker that Apple can replace in a day, then your compensation will reflect that.

Re:Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights ... by derelicta on Thursday June 22, 2023 @02:46AM (#36428767)
That may be how it works but that doesnt make it fair.
Re:Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights ... by refurb on Thursday June 22, 2023 @01:44PM (#36435930)
What would be more fair?
Re:Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights ... by derelicta on Friday June 23, 2023 @02:50AM (#36443655)
Establishing a workplace democracy. Which means a workers council to decide of wages, future goals, managers abd everything related to the life and labor within the workplace. Just like a regular parliament in a regular democracy.
Re:Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights ... by refurb on Friday June 23, 2023 @12:07PM (#36448806)
Sounds like European unions that sit on the board. Yet European wages are lower.

You sure you want that?