News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:The FCC wants to regulate broadband data caps again by theandrewbailey on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @08:43AM (#36417737)
> In the case of AT&T, pricing can start at $55 per month for a 25Gbps plan ... Cox internet is similar, with plans starting at $50 per month for a 100Gbps or 200Gbps plan...

I absolutely refuse to believe those speeds are offered at those prices. Otherwise, I'm getting totally ripped off.

Re:The FCC wants to regulate broadband data caps again by flutas on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @09:37AM (#36418286)
Yeah, that has to be someone not knowing what they are talking about and getting stuff confused... for example, in what world would 5Gbps upload speed be "teeny-tiny", while it would make sense to call it "teeny-tiny" if it's 5Mbps

> teeny-tiny 5Gbps upload speed

EDIT:

Also, checking Cox, they have the exact plans the article mentions, but in Mbps not Gbps.

Re:The FCC wants to regulate broadband data caps again by kelipso on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @09:57AM (#36418527)
Lol 100% it's a typo and it should be Mbps and not Gbps throughout the article.
Re:The FCC wants to regulate broadband data caps again by Goronmon on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @09:40AM (#36418319)
I absolutely refuse to believe those speeds are offered at those prices. Otherwise, I'm getting totally ripped off.

Yeah, someone definitely didn't sanity check the units on those speeds. Especially the reference to the "...with a teeny-tiny 5Gbps upload speed" which is more than twice as fast as the fastest (2Gbps) plan that my local fiber company offers.

Re:The FCC wants to regulate broadband data caps again by userbinator on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @09:36AM (#36418272)
I suspect that, as typical for ISPs, those are "up to" speeds they can set their throttling limits at. Possibly achievable under ideal conditions between you and your neighbor's house. Look up how much 100G NICs cost and the rest of the equipment required to reach those speeds, and it's clear that the vast majority of people using these plans are unlikely to ever get close to that limit.
Re:The FCC wants to regulate broadband data caps again by activiation on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @09:27AM (#36418167)
If you don't switch provider yearly, you are almost certainly getting ripped off.

I was paying less than $55/month for 25mbps with Comcast.

Re:The FCC wants to regulate broadband data caps again by runako on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @09:36AM (#36418281)
> $55 per month for a 25Gbps plan

> I was paying less than $55/month for 25mbps with Comcast

The Comcast plan is ~1000x slower than the AT&T plan cited, FWIW I was not able to locate the 25Gbps plan on the linked AT&T site so likely a typo.

Re:The FCC wants to regulate broadband data caps again by Goronmon on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @09:42AM (#36418340)
Screw the 25Gbps plan, I want that 200Gbps plan. That's 200 times fast than my current fiber connection.
Re:The FCC wants to regulate broadband data caps again by activiation on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @09:44AM (#36418353)
Oops, I mistaken the G for a M... Thanks.

Yeah, that would be extremely cheap then, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Re:The FCC wants to regulate broadband data caps again by chankstein38 on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @09:33AM (#36418239)
The parent comment said 25Gbps not Mbps
Re:The FCC wants to regulate broadband data caps again by activiation on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @09:58AM (#36418546)
More than likely a mistake in the article
Re:The FCC wants to regulate broadband data caps again by ihattendorf on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @06:34PM (#36425631)
Centurylink 100/10 mbps price for life @ $33/month. Golden handcuffs, I want faster but can't justify paying 3x the price.
Re:The FCC wants to regulate broadband data caps again by NoMoreNicksLeft on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @09:42AM (#36418342)
Drop the "ps" abbreviation/suffix off of those, so they become data cap measurements?
Re:The FCC wants to regulate broadband data caps again by js2 on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @10:42AM (#36419072)
Sloppy reporting. The full sentence for context:

> In the case of AT&T, pricing can start at $55 per month for a 25Gbps plan before going up to $65 per month or more after a year, and the company will charge $10 for every extra 50GB you use (unless you upgrade to unlimited for $30 per month or have a plan that’s already unlimited).

The pricing can start at $55 per month for a 25Gbps plan is clearly a reference to the "Internet 25" plan which is 25Mbps (not Gbps) and has a 1.5TB cap. But I don't know why anyone would choose that plan unless it's all that is available at their address since the "Internet 50" and "Internet 100" plans are the same price and the "Internet 100" plan is unlimited.

All of the AT&T Fiber plans are also unlimited.

Pricing page:

https://www.att.com/internet/internet-service-plans/

There's a footnote on the price for the Internet 25, 50, and 100 plans indicating the data cap: "Incl. 1.5TB data/mo., overage charges apply." There's also "See offer details" link with this pop-up:

https://imgur.com/a/mZBetsA

It links to https://www.att.com/help/internet/usage/ for info on data allowances. Internet 25 and Internet 50 have the 1.5TB cap, but Internet 100 is unlimited.

It's weird that AT&T would price all three of these plans the same and apply a data cap only to the slower speed plans. I wonder if it indicates is more expensive for them to provide the lower tier plans for some reason?

Disclosure: I've had AT&T Gigabit Fiber since Jan 2017. It's $70/month (total) which has included HBO Max as a freebee for several years now. No data cap. It's the best residential Internet service I've ever had, by far.

Re:The FCC wants to regulate broadband data caps again by xp84 on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @09:49PM (#36427106)
Too bad AT&T is the world’s slowest to actually build out fiber. They advertise it to me on Facebook daily (too many dollars allocated to the marketing budget apparently), but they haven’t bothered to actually build it out. I’ve lived in their footprint all my life and they’ve never delivered FttP to anywhere I’ve lived. In many different cities and counties.
Re:The FCC wants to regulate broadband data caps again by js2 on Thursday June 22, 2023 @11:43AM (#36433918)
Google Fiber has been advertising to me since 2015. I have the T-shirt to prove it:

https://twitter.com/googlefiber/status/628651613637361665

They finally trenched my neighborhood six months ago, a full six years after AT&T. But I still can't order service.

Re:The FCC wants to regulate broadband data caps again by loeg on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @11:15AM (#36419579)
It's almost certainly a typo for Mbps. 100Mbps and 200Mbps are common broadband offerings in the US. Rates in excess of 1Gbps are not -- certainly not 100Gbps. No consumer is going to have the expensive hardware required to terminate 100Gbps, much less utilize it, and there's no way in hell it would only cost $50/mo. 100Gbps+ is not even prevalent inside data centers; it's just super expensive and many applications don't need that kind of throughput.
Re:The FCC wants to regulate broadband data caps again by ihattendorf on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @06:32PM (#36425594)
Just want to point out it's not that far out there to terminate 100gbps without breaking the bank these days. 1x Mellanox ConnectX-5 Dual Port 100GbE NIC ~$400 (single port ~$200), Brocade ICX6610/6650 ~$150/$600, then a hardware router (pricey) or server with routing software. VyOS is fine up to maybe 40gbps depending on hardware (not line rate), anything more would need something like VPP+FRR/DANOS/TNSR.

More for homelab, but a road I would definitely go down if 100gbps service was available to me for $50/month.

Re:The FCC wants to regulate broadband data caps again by seanp2k2 on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @11:05PM (#36427557)
10gbps is ~800k-15m packets/sec. https://www.netgate.com/blog/tnsr-home-lab has a blog post about using their product to do 40gbps for someone with a home 100gbps lab setup (that uses a $30k switch among other things). Not sure what your financial situation is like, but getting even 10gbps across NAT is going to be at least a few grand (Netgate's HW solution that claims to saturate 10gbps with any packet size is $4k + $1k/yr software subscription https://shop.netgate.com/products/1541-base-tnsr ) and not many places would even support transferring at that speed, so what's the point unless you've got many heavy users?
Re:The FCC wants to regulate broadband data caps again by ihattendorf on Thursday June 22, 2023 @01:32PM (#36435741)
> so what's the point unless you've got many heavy users?

There isn't really a point except some people like to push the boundary for fun. Agreed it's not anywhere close to necessary for normal home users. But we don't always do things just because they're necessary :)

I mentioned VyOS won't handle line rate (it'll do ~5 Mpps on average hardware) but there are options like DANOS that will. 10 Gbps is do-able with < $1k in hardware, including the server.

VPP+FRR or VPP+DPDK can handle 100 Mpps/100 Gbps across NAT. And with the new Linux Control Plane in VPP, it's possible VyOS will get support in the future (https://vyos.dev/T1797). They're also considering using eXpress Data Path (XDP).

Again, totally pointless but so are many other things we spend our time/money on.

Re:The FCC wants to regulate broadband data caps again by solardev on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @11:24AM (#36419722)
I think the article might've switched out the M for a G.

Most home equipment, even the computers themselves, can't handle those speeds. Unless they're moving into the ultralow cost home data center segment, it's probably a mistake lol...

Re:The FCC wants to regulate broadband data caps again by Nifty3929 on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @11:56AM (#36420209)
They're only 3 orders of magnitude off. Give them a break.
Re:The FCC wants to regulate broadband data caps again by activiation on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @02:06PM (#36422063)
They finally fixed the article. Of course they meant Mbps and not Gbps.