Why FTP could soon disappear from the Internet (2020)

Re:Why FTP could soon disappear from the Internet (2020) by redundantly on Monday June 19, 2023 @07:55PM (#36397964)

> And I’m sure some person in some suitably technical job somewhere is going to claim that FTP will never die because there will always be a specialized use case for it somewhere. Sure, whatever. But for the vast majority of people, when Chrome disconnects FTP from the browser, they likely won’t find a reason to reconnect.

I'm some person in a suitable technical job somewhere. Yeah, FTP will be around for a long, long time. Will it be around forever? Not likely. Will it "soon disappear from the internet"? Even less likely.

Hooray for clickbait.

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Re:Why FTP could soon disappear from the Internet (2020) by ganoushoreilly on Monday June 19, 2023 @08:07PM (#36398054)

For me, I SFTP from 5 locations around the globe daily. I could build a complex system to manage the transfers.. but why, when it just works for our use case.

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Re:Why FTP could soon disappear from the Internet (2020) by valiant55 on Monday June 19, 2023 @08:15PM (#36398111)

SFTP is basically just SSH, the only thing it shares in common with FTP is the name.

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Re:Why FTP could soon disappear from the Internet (2020) by ChainOfFools on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @01:06AM (#36399948)

perhaps op meant FTPS?

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Re:Why FTP could soon disappear from the Internet (2020) by LinAGKar on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @02:34AM (#36400472)

SSH is just the transport, you use a different protocol inside it. But yeah, it's not FTP

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Re:Why FTP could soon disappear from the Internet (2020) by ganoushoreilly on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @10:46AM (#36404814)

The only difference is the security transport / authentication, otherwise if functions the exact same way.

The original RFC for SFTP was written to actually be a simpler version of FTP. While v3 seems to be the standard and the final RFC was never ratified, SFTP is still FTP.

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Re:Why FTP could soon disappear from the Internet (2020) by LinAGKar on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @01:15PM (#36407255)

Please link to that RFC then.

They are very different. SFTP isn't even textual, nor does it have separate control and data channels of FTP.

Are these exactly the same?:

https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc959.txt

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-moonesamy-secsh-...

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Re:Why FTP could soon disappear from the Internet (2020) by nwallin on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @02:10PM (#36408106)

Are you perhaps referring to FTPS, which is FTP with SSL/TLS added? SFTP is very, very different from FTP.

Note that SFTP is not a protocol for security transport / authentication. It doesn't do that. It assumes that you've already secured/authorized the channel with SSH. See section 1 of the RFC.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-secsh-filex...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTPS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH_File_Transfer_Protocol

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Re:Why FTP could soon disappear from the Internet (2020) by ganoushoreilly on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @10:38AM (#36404693)

It's secure tunneled FTP. Functionally it performs the exact same way as ftp only it's not in clear text and you have better authentication options.

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Re:Why FTP could soon disappear from the Internet (2020) by yjftsjthsd-h on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @04:58PM (#36410481)

No, that's FTPS. FTPS wraps FTP in TLS; SFTP is a protocol in the SSH protocol that can transfer files and that happens to implement an FTP-like interface.

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Re:Why FTP could soon disappear from the Internet (2020) by r1ch on Monday June 19, 2023 @08:56PM (#36398420)

Unfortunately SFTP isn't a good replacement when speed is a concern, anything running over OpenSSH will have its bandwidth limited by the fixed window size. I long for the day when HPN-SSH replaces OpenSSH everywhere.

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Re:Why FTP could soon disappear from the Internet (2020) by water9 on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @05:08AM (#36401476)

I just found out this is a thing. Thank you for this.

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Re:Why FTP could soon disappear from the Internet (2020) by Halfwhit on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @07:28AM (#36402506)

Adding to the thanks for sending me down a new fun rabbit hole

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Re:Why FTP could soon disappear from the Internet (2020) by ganoushoreilly on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @10:48AM (#36404855)

Most of our transfers are limited by our backbone, but because we chunk files we're able to do multiple concurrent transfers and max out traffic as best we can. We mostly have 10g links, but anything over that tends to get into serious diminishing returns in value/performance.

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Re:Why FTP could soon disappear from the Internet (2020) by water9 on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @11:22AM (#36405324)

Mainly that the storage medium is not going to be able to usually keep up with the Link speed of 100gbps for long

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Re:Why FTP could soon disappear from the Internet (2020) by yjftsjthsd-h on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @05:03PM (#36410568)

Bonus points for equating Chrome use with "the Internet"

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Re:Why FTP could soon disappear from the Internet (2020) by throwawaymobule on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @11:21PM (#36413989)

Most of my own use of (unsecured) FTP has been with hacked consoles. Server software is usually written pretty soon after a toolchain works, and is a huge quality of life upgrade. Really don't see that trend stopping.

Anecdotally, pestering a nontechnical buddy of mine to learn how to FTP games onto a ps3 gave him a headstart on a tech support role he got years later.

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