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Re:Swing VPN app is a DDoS botnet by littlestymaar on Sunday June 18, 2023 @07:02PM (#36385431)
Is there anything wrong with Mullvad?
Re:Swing VPN app is a DDoS botnet by cookiengineer on Sunday June 18, 2023 @07:12PM (#36385507)
Honestly it's hard to tell, but Mullvard seems to be one of the last options.

The problem I have with all the "checks" that press foundations do is that none of them seem to know what they're talking about in regards to what tech is trustworthy and audited, and what is not.

I found a nice article about it, skimmed through it and seems to be true and reflect my own research that I did for my cyber defense network [1]

[1] https://vpnpro.com/blog/hidden-vpn-owners-unveiled-97-vpns-2...

Re:Swing VPN app is a DDoS botnet by flir on Sunday June 18, 2023 @07:47PM (#36385707)
If I was a TLA, I'd be spinning up one fake VPN company a month. I've never understood why anyone trusts them.
Re:Swing VPN app is a DDoS botnet by Moru on Monday June 19, 2023 @01:20AM (#36387566)
Very funny, I get a popup selling NordVPN several times while on that site (using adblocker). Article written by the owner of another VPN company.
Re:Swing VPN app is a DDoS botnet by NavinF on Sunday June 18, 2023 @07:04PM (#36385447)
They don't support port forwarding which eliminates the main use cases for VPNs: https://mullvad.net/en/blog/2023/5/29/removing-the-support-f...
Re:Swing VPN app is a DDoS botnet by verandaguy on Sunday June 18, 2023 @07:15PM (#36385528)
It eliminates your main use cases for VPNs (and while it's a shame that the feature is being pulled, port forwarding has always been ripe with abuse).

I formerly worked in the consumer VPN space (an older, but once quite big player), and use cases go from content access (including everything from getting US Netflix from Germany, to sidestepping national firewalls), to general-purpose paranoia about IP logging by websites. There are also lots of cases that get marketed a bit too liberally by companies like Nord, Express, and the hydra that is Kape, like that VPNs can add meaningful security to submitting payment information online; this is despite the fact that it's harder than ever to MITM payment sites.

It's generally agreed that the state of public Wi-Fi combined with evolving web standards and sky-high HTTPS adoption makes VPNs largely, though definitely not completely obsolete for protecting yourself against someone sniffing traffic at Starbucks.

Having said all that: if you need a VPN and a lack of port-forwarding isn't a dealbreaker, I wholeheartedly recommend Mullvad. My former company never worked with them directly but our team had immense respect for their integrity, ethics, and approach to developing a quality product.

Re:Swing VPN app is a DDoS botnet by rocho on Monday June 19, 2023 @12:12AM (#36387258)
They're the best. They don't even ask for personal information when creating an account (heck, they don't ask for anything at all) and you can pay with crypto or cash. They use Wireguard and their desktop and mobile apps are very good.

They shouldn't keep logs but even if they did there's no personal information metadata.

Re:Swing VPN app is a DDoS botnet by hutzlibu on Monday June 19, 2023 @01:25AM (#36387598)
"They shouldn't keep logs but even if they did there's no personal information metadata."

Just your personal IP, which is via your provider very tied to your person.

Re:Swing VPN app is a DDoS botnet by lionkor on Monday June 19, 2023 @02:32AM (#36387956)
Thats assuming you are using your home IP, and that youre the only one using that IP, and that they are tracking your metadata (whcih there is no proof of)
Re:Swing VPN app is a DDoS botnet by hutzlibu on Monday June 19, 2023 @02:52AM (#36388072)
If I don't care, that my IP gets exposed, than I would not use a VPN in the first place.

(In many places it can trivially linked to your real ID, if there is a court order)

Unless the use case is circumventing region barriers.

Re:Swing VPN app is a DDoS botnet by jeltz on Monday June 19, 2023 @03:33AM (#36388320)
Mullvad claims to not log IPs so they cannot hand out anything via a court order and at least once a court order has turned up blank [1]. It is possible that CIA or some other intelligence agency has infiltrated Mullvad and logs them but that is nothing that will ever be used in a normal court case. They will only risk revealing their hand if you are some major crime boss, a spy or a terrorist.

If you are just a file sharer or normal low level criminal I doubt the CIA (or whoever may have infiltrated Mullvad) would give anyone your IP.

1. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vast/husrannsakan-mot-vpn-...

Re:Swing VPN app is a DDoS botnet by littlestymaar on Monday June 19, 2023 @05:16AM (#36388958)
> It is possible that CIA or some other intelligence agency has infiltrated Mullvad and logs them but that is nothing that will ever be used in a normal court case. They will only risk revealing their hand if you are some major crime boss, a spy or a terrorist.

Or NSO or some other private actor did so, and now every dictatorship has access to it, and we all know how broad their “terrorist” definition can be…

Re:Swing VPN app is a DDoS botnet by hutzlibu on Monday June 19, 2023 @05:54AM (#36389197)
Well yes, it depends on your threat level.

If you are a dissident in Iran, you really should not trust some random VPN. Tor is probably safe enough, but there is also no guarantee, that the chinese are not sharing with them, because as far as I know (but last time I checked has been some years), many nodes are china based. So they might know.

But if all you do is pirating some videos, then this is not something to worry about.

Re:Swing VPN app is a DDoS botnet by evgen on Monday June 19, 2023 @07:20AM (#36389736)
> It is possible that CIA or some other intelligence agency has infiltrated Mullvad and logs them but that is nothing that will ever be used in a normal court case.

Just so everyone is clear on a few facts, it is possible for a TLA or agency from another large government to just try to blackbox the VPN nodes and be done with it without needing to infiltrate Mullvad. Just pressure the network provider of the VPN instances to get flow data, and at that point they can match up traffic going in and out and the VPN disappears from the picture.

Re:Swing VPN app is a DDoS botnet by lionkor on Monday June 19, 2023 @06:48AM (#36389534)
I care about websites I visit not seeing my IP since they can track me individually using that. Mullvad is the entity that hides it - of course they will see my IP. I don't care if Mullvad sees it, but I do care if shadywebsite6969.test sees it.
Re:Swing VPN app is a DDoS botnet by rocho on Sunday June 25, 2023 @09:33AM (#36468027)
That's true. But I don't do anything illegal, I mainly want to preserve my privacy and avoid the ISP logging all the domains I visit.
Re:Swing VPN app is a DDoS botnet by lionkor on Monday June 19, 2023 @02:29AM (#36387933)
I feel like, inherently, Mullvad is crazy secure. They never ask for email, phone number, name, or any payment details, and the only identifying information (username and password) are replaced by a number they generate for you. And then it gives you a wireguard config you can use with whatever client you trust.
Re:Swing VPN app is a DDoS botnet by rmdes on Monday June 19, 2023 @02:51AM (#36388066)
The best. Using it for years.