Here’s 206 roses trees varieties ready to order [0]. GF is a lot into flowers and got a lot of stuff from this store, highly recommend them for any plant, great quality and care. Europe only I guess.

[0] https://www.promessedefleurs.com/rosiers/rosiers-parfumes.ht...

I don't see any varietal in there that I can't get from any other store that also doesn't have any scent.

I don’t doubt you’re more knowledgeable than me but if you can’t smell ”any sent” from 200+ “fragrant roses” varieties maybe the problem is to look elsewhere ? Maybe your odorat or your expectations ?

I do smell perfume from certain roses trees as well as does my GF and the roses gardener in this beautiful place [0]. Don’t think smelling roses perfume is a rare condition. Also you probably already know that food additives and ambiance perfumes smells roses like a banana candy taste banana.

I wish you success in your search.

[0] https://albert-kahn.hauts-de-seine.fr/en/collections/present...

Marketing can call a rose "fragrant" all it wants. That doesn't make it so.

I have bought almost every kind of varietal I can lay my hands on in an attempt to find roses with scent for my wife's birthday for 20+ years now. When I started doing this, it was easy to find varietals with scent--some of them would pump the whole house full of it they were so strong. In the last 5 years, even if I buy a scattering of varietals (generally I will buy 4-6 dozens in an attempt to find one), I have come up empty twice.

If, however, I go to something like the Del Mar fair and examine the roses which are called "fragrant", they actually are.

I'll leave the conclusions to you.

Most home garden friendly roses are bred for disease resistance, climate, pest resistance, and flower production. Scent isn't in there.

I have a 'Honey Perfume' that smells nice, but most of the other varieties I have only have very faint scents.

I concur. Even roses which are extremely expensive and nominally "highly scented" don't smell at all, anymore. I used to have to go on a hunt for a varietal with scent, and now even with a lot of hunting, I can't find them anymore.

The problem is apparently that some enzyme that makes scent also tends to break down the flower. So, the "lifetime" of a cut rose is inversely dependent upon the volume of scent.

And, since everything is shipped around the world from the absolute lowest cost area, "lifetime" becomes the only goal with everything else being secondary.

Thus, we have roses with no scent.

Is this a new development in the last couple years?

Covid!

As a completely random aside, I was in a social gathering this week, some people were talking about roses, and I overheard: "Of course the smell has been bred out of roses."

Is this the organic/classy version of amazon yankee candle reviews?

In the UK it is very easy to find scented roses from specialist growers. David Austin for instance has a 'Best for Fragrance' category on their website. They even go into some detail in describing the smells.

I find that scents don't last too long, but I think this is to be expected. On my property most of the scent from roses is produced in the first week's bloom before dissipating.