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Re:How Russia Went from Ally to Adversary by medo-bear on Saturday June 17, 2023 @04:42PM (#36374369)
So, for example, I grew up in a place that would never have gotten rid of Nazism had it not been for the Soviet Union. Sure we had a dictatorship afterwards and life was hard in a lot of ways, but it was nothing like what you were probably told and definitely an improvement on what was there before that system came
Re:How Russia Went from Ally to Adversary by lisasays on Monday June 19, 2023 @03:24PM (#36395478)
Nothing like what you were probably told

Hmm -- this really is quite a presumptuous (and basically highly obnoxious) attitude to take.

A place that would never have gotten rid of Nazism had it not been for the Soviet Union.

And which likely never would have been invaded in the first place, had Stalin not greenlighted Hitler's plans via a certain famous agreement in 1939.

Re:How Russia Went from Ally to Adversary by medo-bear on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @09:58AM (#36404066)
> "Never" is rather doubtful, and bordering on science fiction (given what we know about unstable the Reich was in reality). The "hero" view of the Soviets' allegedly overwhelming contribution to overall war effort is also not something that follows from any balanced view of the historical record.

How about fighting 70% of the Wehrmacht. Read about the Eastern Front instead of just watching Saving Private Ryan :)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_(World_War_II)

> But what we do know from the historical record -- is that most of these places likely never would have been invaded in the first place, had Stalin not greenlighted Hitler's plans via a certain famous agreement in 1939.

What often doesn't get mentioned in history classes is that before the infamous Stalin-Hitler pact, USSR tried to obtain a military pact with the West and that the West prologned the signing of any such agreements. Some even say that the Western powers (UK especially) hoped that Hitler would only focus his effort to the East and in that way deal with the rise of worldwide communist movement.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/322...

Re:How Russia Went from Ally to Adversary by thodin on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @10:48PM (#36427453)
Russia wanted West to approve it's greed to get additional territories. Only Hitler was ready to sign such agreements.

So Stalin went to Hitler. He was really mad guy, paranoid, former gangster.

Re:How Russia Went from Ally to Adversary by medo-bear on Thursday June 22, 2023 @05:29AM (#36429765)
> former gangster

Maybe he was just street smart :)

Re:How Russia Went from Ally to Adversary by medo-bear on Thursday June 22, 2023 @08:36AM (#36431203)
> Im pretty sure Austrians, Czechs and Slovaks would disagree

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement

Re:How Russia Went from Ally to Adversary by lisasays on Thursday June 22, 2023 @09:08AM (#36431587)
USSR tried to obtain a military pact with the West and that the West prologned the signing of any such agreements.

Oh, boo-hoo. And (just as with its successor state today), its feelings were sooo hurt, it just had to steamroll over those decadent neighboring countries (that should have known better than to be situated on its doorstep anyway). And accidentally deport a good chunk of their population to a place with low survival rates. And accidentally dig those holes in the forest that 22,000 civilians and former military personnel just happened to fall into.

USSR was not the same as Russia

In terms of whose overall interests it was serving -- of course it was.

Re:How Russia Went from Ally to Adversary by medo-bear on Thursday June 22, 2023 @01:43PM (#36435912)
great comeback mate :)