>Please EU, behave rationally

that'd take actual work from the EU.

What a bunch of nonsense and whataboutism.

Mobile phones are very important for European citizens: there's so much stuff that depends on them... companies require their employees to use them for 2FA, governments use them for logging into various government services, it's the preferred method of interfacing with banks, supermarkets, post office... my son's school has a phone app, which is the only way they communicate school schedule, or stuff like teacher's absence, going on field trips etc.

Apple is just another empire of evil that needs to be regulated in order not to treat its customers like slaves. It's absolutely not a waste of time to make them play nice or gtfo.

>> We live in extreme times

I thought fear-driven hyperbole ended with the expiry of covid lockdowns. On to the next end of the world story.

If these are normal times, then we really must question what the hell the EU is doing as part of its normal operations (hint: see the headline at the top of this web page). There are a lot of urgent problems to deal with and political bandwidth is being spent on an obsession by politicians and/or bureaucrats who think they have better design chops than Apple, world's premier category-defining phone designer.

It'd be stupid in the good times. It is still stupid in the current times. Let Apple do what they want and focus on keeping people warm, safe and with a roof over their head - all things that are at risk right now. Spend some time on diplomacy trying to calm the re-arming armies down. In Germany the AfD has gone from nothing to nearly 20% in the polls over the last decade; something is really badly wrong with "normal" in Europe to get that sort of political realignment.

Exchangeable batteries are not going to help.

The amount of assumptions you need to defend your anti-EU stance!

First, the EU doesn't have that much power. It's restricted to commerce and a small part of intergovernmental policy. Defense, tax, criminal laws, education, wellfare, etc., are all outside its remit.

Second, this doesn't take that much "political bandwidth." Someone proposes it, they discuss, end of. This is not an attempt at extending the parliament's power, or controversial.

Third, where do you get the idea from that Apple makes the best design decisions for consumers? They're a rather capitalist and very American company. They exist to increase profits and shareholder value.

Fourth, even something that is well designed from one perspective, can be bad from another. Repairability is one such aspect. The EU is not very activist when it comes to ecology, but at least they get this right.

Fifth. The A fucking D. That's partially on the neo-liberals. Their grubby little hands have made life for certain groups hard and taken away any prospect. Hence people turn to extreme protest parties. For another part, it's on extremist politicians, of course, but also those on the "good" side, with their holier-than-thou attitude. That drives people to the wrong side. None of these is anywhere near the authority of the EU. Make the SDP go back to its roots, and vote for it.

> Third, where do you get the idea from that Apple makes the best design decisions for consumers?

https://www.oberlo.com/statistics/most-popular-phone-brands

If someone decides to buy the phone that is best for them, most likely designer of that phone is going to be Apple.

If you like maybe there is an argument it is Samsung or a Chinese company - but fact is that Europe, as far as real-world results, doesn't have a person on the continent who is willing and able to make a good phone. They certainly don't have someone like that working for the EU.

> First, the EU doesn't have that much power.

Less power they have, the more it matters what they draw attention to.

You're either some anarcho-liberal, or you're not even trying. No point in discussing.

Ridiculous take.

Companies optimize for profit, that’s it. Capitalism only optimizes for that. Regulations are the means we can mandate some other values taking any kind of priority. Otherwise we would still have coke putting cocaine into our drinks.

Optimising for profit happens to be more effective than what the EU does. Apple can convince bystanders to spend days working hard to trade for a phone. They do that entirely with good design, strong QAQC and persuasive advertising.

The EU gets convinces people to do things with fines and, ultimately, threats of jail time.

Now if one design people want to own and the other design only takes hold because of threats and fines, we ought conclude that the mandatory design is the weaker one. People aren't paying for replaceable batteries. They're paying for tough, cleanly built & waterproof phones. That is why there are sometimes actual queues outside Apple stored as people try to buy iPhones - people really think Apple designs great phones. For the EU to manage that they'd need a man with a truncheon standing off to the side forcing people to line up when they don't want to.

And they're doing this while Europe is being hit by crisis after crisis. This is a terrible time to be trying to reduce the quality of phones in the EU. It is bad enough in a good year. It is a terrible time to be drawing attention away from the actual problems that Europeans are facing. They should be working on making things cheaper and better for EU citizens.

So how exactly would capitalism prevent children from working, improve work safety, make food products only contain safe ingredients? All of these are solved through laws and governance.

The EU is not one guy sitting in the office trying to find time to deal with one issue at a time.

It’s an intercontinental organisation with 30.000 workers, 705 elected seats in the EU Parliament, and the European Council that sits the heads of state of every EU member state.

It better be able to deal with more than one subject at a time.

Indeed. After the vote of the Parliament, the Council needs to also approve the final text. But in practice the ministers only rubberstamp whatever Coreper (the ambassadors) have approved, and Coreper deals with dozens of matters in any one meeting:

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/meetings/mpo/2023/6/corep...

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/meetings/mpo/2023/6/corep...

Reducing e-waste is an important part of addressing climate change, which is the most important issue, so: Yes.