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Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by jrm4 on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:22PM (#36362386)
Just broadly, let me just echo my full throated support for regulation in this space. Forget the vast majority of the goofy "innovation" arguments I hear, the fact that 3 family cell phones, 2 laptops, Steam Deck, Nintendo Switch, and Oculus can all use the same charger makes insanely more sense that what we were doing before.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by lagadu on Friday June 16, 2023 @04:36PM (#36363481)
Single charger is lovely: nowadays whenever I travel I carry a single charger; it charges: my laptop, my work laptop, my phone, my noise cancelling headphones, my wireless iems, my book, my watch.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by KennyBlanken on Friday June 16, 2023 @11:43PM (#36367049)
You can get cables and small dongles that convert USB-C or micro to lightning etc.

You're talking about a few-dollar problem.

I don't want a fragile USB-C port on my phone. The lightning port is a joy to use - reliable both in terms of the retention mechanism and connectivity, and easy to clean of debris.

Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by jrm4 on Saturday June 17, 2023 @02:43PM (#36373150)
I can't think of a better example of "a few dollar problem" that adds up remarkably over time, though.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by crimsontech on Friday June 16, 2023 @04:39PM (#36363522)
In some ways (convenience). I think it will also lead to not supplying the device with a charging / data transfer cable to reduce e-waste.

Lighting connector is actually better than USB-C for a phone charger, there is no little contact to snap off inside a lighting port and it’s easy to clean pocket lint out of the lighting port with a tooth pick.

This isn’t the case with USB-C, it’s more fragile and harder to remove debris with damaging it which is why I think apple use it for iPad but not iPhone.

The battery thing is good though, I have seen way too many people using devices with swollen batteries because they are way beyond their useful lifetime.

I don’t know this for sure but I would hope the software on the phone can prevent this on modern devices.

Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by tempestn on Friday June 16, 2023 @08:04PM (#36365658)
Are you thinking of a magsafe connector? A lightning connector definitely does have a little end that can snap off, and that in my experience (with children) is less robust than a USB-C.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by crimsontech on Saturday June 17, 2023 @03:07AM (#36368011)
No I’m talking about the port in the phone where you plug the cable in.

With lightening the cable side is the fragile part, with usb-c the male part of the connection is inside the phone’s socket. This is the fragile part of the usb-c connection.

It makes more sense for the fragile part to be on the cable rather than the phone itself because the phone is more expensive and would need a repair but the cable is cheap enough that you can replace it.

Other than this though, usb-c is far superior to lightening with better data speed and power delivery.

Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by tempestn on Saturday June 17, 2023 @03:53PM (#36373915)
Ahh I see. Makes sense. For what it's worth I think the USB-C port is still fairly robust because the fragile part is protected by the port, but I get what you're saying.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by gok on Friday June 16, 2023 @05:15PM (#36363992)
So you're really happy that there is regulation requiring what the market already did on its own?
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by rat9988 on Friday June 16, 2023 @05:54PM (#36364453)
Yes, because some actors don't want to follow suit.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by ktosobcy on Friday June 16, 2023 @05:55PM (#36364463)
lol. do you remember times before microusb? which was also somewhat forced by the EU? so no.. the unification on the USB wasn't all pure force of market...
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by M2Ys4U on Friday June 16, 2023 @10:33PM (#36366644)
Except the marked did not do that on its own.

The EU gave the industry an ultimatum in 2009: Adopt a common charger voluntarily or we'll regulate to force you to do so. Almost all manufacturers did, first with micro-USB before moving over to USB-C.

Eventually, because Apple decided not to play well with others, they had to follow through and regulate.

Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by martin8412 on Saturday June 17, 2023 @02:04AM (#36367722)
The Nintendo Switch charger isn't standards compliant, and if you use another charger, it might not be able to keep up with the power draw of the Nintendo Switch.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by enachtry on Saturday June 17, 2023 @03:34AM (#36368123)
It will be. Supporting USB PD over USB-C is mandatory if they want to keep selling in EU. Nintendo is more than welcome to subvert EU's requirements and find out how that goes.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by cubefox on Monday June 19, 2023 @10:22AM (#36391394)
Probably it will work for the "Switch 2", if there will be such a product.