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Re:Stop Calling Each New Disaster “The New Normal” by version_five on Friday June 16, 2023 @08:07AM (#36355192)
A big problem is there's no vocal positive or optimistic environmental movement. What gets attention are doomsday prophesies and people using the environment to push their political beliefs. It's almost impossible to get everyone on board with negativity. You just get a base of true believers while alienating everyone else, as you say.

We need to push positive solutions (nuclear power and carbon capture) that aren't thinly veiled religion and politics.

Re:Stop Calling Each New Disaster “The New Normal” by CalRobert on Friday June 16, 2023 @08:15AM (#36355315)
There's solarpunk, at least.

Also, I think there's optimism in people talking about how living a happier, more social life can also be one that happens to be lower in carbon intensity. I currently live in a very car-dependent detached house on an island (so reliant on planes to go anywhere) and am viewing flats now in a place where I can live car-free and go places via train.

And on top of all that, every time I have lived in a place where I could walk, bike, or take public transit, I was happier, healthier, and saw my friends _much_ more. But people have been sold a lie that living near their friends and being able to take a train or bus places is a "downgrade".

Re:Stop Calling Each New Disaster “The New Normal” by ianai on Friday June 16, 2023 @08:30AM (#36355486)
There’s stuff people can do. Eat less/no meat. Buy an EV. Etc. But then commentators will refute that with all sorts of stuff “one person can’t make any sizable impact,” “EVs are powered from the grid which isn’t carbon neutral”, “EV tires spread particulate emissions.” Etc.

Thing is, denialism and stopping progress makes people looking for solutions also more extreme.

So who knows. Maybe part of the answer is partially ignoring or severely discounting certain Internet discourse.

Re:Stop Calling Each New Disaster “The New Normal” by SamoyedFurFluff on Friday June 16, 2023 @08:46AM (#36355677)
I don’t think that people shouldn’t make individual decisions, but I think their individual decisions should be made in much broader contexts that individual lifestyle adjustments have limited impact. (Eg. Any veganism on one persons part would be wiped away by a non-necessary plane ride.)

It is important to also make broader policy changes, like regulating wasteful plastic packaging in the pipeline (not just at the retail, but storing manufacturing/processing materials).

Re:Stop Calling Each New Disaster “The New Normal” by tourmalinetaco on Friday June 16, 2023 @09:11AM (#36355996)
An individual cannot make a sizable impact compared to the insurmountable damage corporate greed has already caused. Not to mention the proposed “solutions” only cause further ecological damage and reinforce corporate interests.

We have billionaires like Bill Gates telling us to eat bugs instead of meat to “save the planet” while he forcibly e-wastes billions of devices with Windows 10’s end-of-life. We have EV manufacturers pushing to mine lithium, which like most mining is incredibly ecologically damaging, while simultaneously making repair (and thus the sustainability of their cars) nearly impossible. Petroleum products produced en masse and discarded into literal trash islands in the oceans. The destruction of wildlife habitats such as the rainforests. Hell, entire cities in China are nearly uninhabitable due to mass pollution from corporations moving production there.

While we are all to blame, some are more to blame than others. And no, going “carbon neutral” doesn’t mean anything when you’re still actively dumping waste products onto the Earth.

Re:Stop Calling Each New Disaster “The New Normal” by CalRobert on Friday June 16, 2023 @09:55AM (#36356625)
EV's are a half-assed patch and meant to be a drop-in replacement for ICE's until we can do something better, but sadly they've mostly been an excuse for even bigger, faster, heavier, more dangerous vehicles.

I just want to ride my bike and take the train for most of my daily needs, maybe using an hourly car hire for the other trips.

Re:Stop Calling Each New Disaster “The New Normal” by version_five on Friday June 16, 2023 @10:14AM (#36356897)
> I just want to ride my bike and take the train for most of my daily needs, maybe using an hourly car hire for the other trips.

If that's what you want, cool, you almost certainly can find a life situation where it's possible. It's people who want to forcibly make everyone live that way that are the problem.

Re:Stop Calling Each New Disaster “The New Normal” by ianai on Friday June 16, 2023 @11:05AM (#36357822)
Yeah to re-make public spaces across the cities and towns in that image would require probably a 10s to 100s of trillions in infrastructure spending. Enough to make my personal dream of an aqueduct in to the southwest from the Pacific and associated desalination projects (and mineral separation) a pittance.
Re:Stop Calling Each New Disaster “The New Normal” by CalRobert on Friday June 16, 2023 @11:53AM (#36358744)
We already spent trillions bulldozing cities for cars and building speedways everywhere.
Re:Stop Calling Each New Disaster “The New Normal” by CalRobert on Friday June 16, 2023 @11:53AM (#36358736)
"you almost certainly can find a life situation where it's possible"

The opposite, really. Car-dependence is the default and being able to live well without a car, especially as a family, is very challenging. Sadly we've forcibly made everyone live that way (imagine that!) except for the few who can afford well designed places.

Re:Stop Calling Each New Disaster “The New Normal” by mistermann on Friday June 16, 2023 @12:48PM (#36359755)
> We need to push positive solutions (nuclear power and carbon capture) that aren't thinly veiled religion and politics.

What if what we really need to do is wonder what we should do?