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Re:My 24 year old HP Jornada can do things an iPhone still c... by jerf on Thursday June 15, 2023 @05:29PM (#36346751)
There's no longer any technical reason why you couldn't hook your cell up to a ~$20 USB-C dock and have a full Android environment with a complete desktop-style setup, driving your monitor, using your mouse, etc.

Every year I'm more surprised this isn't happening more. I get that the empty clamshell laptop you slide a cell phone into never took off, but this just gets cheaper and cheaper every year. The drivers exist, the OS capability mostly or entirely exists, we're just... not doing it. With a dock, you can cobble things together; the TV your dad threw away, a keyboard you found at goodwill, any old mouse. Incredibly accessible; anyone with a phone and that level of access to tech could have a full computing environment.

I have tasted this with my Steam Deck. I have some limited uses for it when I take it places but want it to do just a bit more. I'd love it even more if my cell phone, which has all the computing power it needs for the uses I have, could do it. If I was a student, or less well off, being able to turn my phone into a full computing environment and use it at its full power would be a great way to save money. The only two limitations on cell phones at this point are 1. the IO with the screen and touchscreen and 2. power limitations from being stuck on battery. Other than that they'd be quite credible laptops from ~2013 or 2015 no question, possibly even a few years later. Very capable nowadays.

Re:My 24 year old HP Jornada can do things an iPhone still c... by charlesabarnes on Thursday June 15, 2023 @05:42PM (#36346939)
Samsung phones and Dex seems to be what you want.

https://www.samsung.com/us/apps/dex/

Re:My 24 year old HP Jornada can do things an iPhone still c... by gumby on Thursday June 15, 2023 @05:40PM (#36346904)
> There's no longer any technical reason why you couldn't hook your cell up to a ~$20 USB-C dock and have a full Android environment with a complete desktop-style setup, driving your monitor, using your mouse, etc...Every year I'm more surprised this isn't happening more.

Because many people can do everything they need on their undocked phone already.

For me, my phone is an auxiliary device and my preferred device is the computer. But I'm sure I'm in the minority.

Re:My 24 year old HP Jornada can do things an iPhone still c... by skydhash on Thursday June 15, 2023 @06:29PM (#36347571)
Apart from dev work, almost off the other apps I use has a tablet and phone version. But I wouldn’t want the phone version other than staying on top of things. I’m typing this on the iPhone only because I’m laying on the couch and too lazy to get up. Even reading an ebook is a pain on such small screen.
Re:My 24 year old HP Jornada can do things an iPhone still c... by gumby on Thursday June 15, 2023 @08:34PM (#36349217)
My gf uses her phone for half (OK, maybe 40% of) her work, and grumbles about the laptop that she uses for the rest. I don't know how she manages it.
Re:My 24 year old HP Jornada can do things an iPhone still c... by freedomben on Thursday June 15, 2023 @05:38PM (#36346881)
A lot of Android phones are capable of this (OnePlus, Samsung) but for reasons I don't understand Google disables it on the Pixel devices. I was infuriated when I tried to plug in my Pixel to a USB-C to HDMI cable and went down the troubleshooting rabbit hole only to find out that something I used to do all the time on my OnePlus wasn't possible.
Re:My 24 year old HP Jornada can do things an iPhone still c... by Vrondi on Thursday June 15, 2023 @05:35PM (#36346841)
Most people have zero clue this is possible, even on devices they already own.
Re:My 24 year old HP Jornada can do things an iPhone still c... by asdff on Thursday June 15, 2023 @05:46PM (#36347022)
It makes sense for the user but then you've just killed a lot of products you've convinced users to buy. It's ridiculus when you consider how many redundant computers people have in their homes. Smart TV. Watch. Laptops. Desktops. Phones. Even cars. In a perfect world you'd just have a central server that all of these dummy screens just tap into perhaps, either a handheld dock or a little thing in your closet. However, that would stop us from spending a grip on all these different product lines, all the different redundant things.

Garmin has made a brand of themselves doing this. Every sport activity, there's a running watch, a golf watch, a whatever the hell watch, a gps this, a gps that, a bike computer, whatever, all bespoke and siloed for a few activities, when really they could just sell you a single slab that connects to a gps and could do whatever. But then, they'd only be selling you one product and not dozens.

Re:My 24 year old HP Jornada can do things an iPhone still c... by jodrellblank on Thursday June 15, 2023 @11:13PM (#36350677)
> "redundant computers people have in their homes. Smart TV. Watch. Laptops. Desktops. Phones. Even cars. In a perfect world you'd just have a central server that all of these dummy screens just tap into perhaps"

This is a nonsense, how is my phone going to tap into a central server at my home to do the image processing of taking a filtered video while on holiday? Stream MBit/sec over international cellular networking at my cost? Why would I want my car to tap into a handheld dock which I have to remember to bring with me and means my home computer is unusable by anyone else for the duration of my journey? How is my watch benefitting by having a long range wireless radio constantly running instead of a low power internal processor?

Re:My 24 year old HP Jornada can do things an iPhone still c... by vel0city on Friday June 16, 2023 @10:33AM (#36357167)
Maybe there's a lot of different devices because there's a lot of different ergonomics for the different tasks, all of which are improved with different kinds of computing devices? Like, if all I want is a running watch, I really don't care about it having a heavily rugged design like I might for some kind of hiking watch. I probably also don't care about connectivity to bike sensors. I probably also don't need a large satellite antenna on it. Nor do I need a big display and a mount for it and the ability to attach a sonar fish finder on it. I just want it a small and light as possible while still tracking heartrate, maybe connect to a wireless chest band, and an average quality GPS to follow my tracks.

But at the same time, if I'm on a boat and trying to look at charts and trying to find the fish, I don't necessarily care about it being small and light, I want it to be pretty big, and it needs to plug into the sonar fish finder and depth sensors on the boat.

Re:My 24 year old HP Jornada can do things an iPhone still c... by asdff on Friday June 16, 2023 @05:25PM (#36364122)
Ergonomic considerations still don't mean you need to buy a dozen plus separate computers just to have all those forms.
Re:My 24 year old HP Jornada can do things an iPhone still c... by vel0city on Friday June 16, 2023 @06:03PM (#36364536)
But the ergonomics defines the needs for those computing devices.

I want that running watch to be pretty tiny, so it can only have a tiny battery. It doesn't have much of a display, so it doesn't need much graphics capabilities. Since it's barely interfacing with other devices it doesn't need a lot of peripheral support. It's not really going to load a lot of data files and doesn't need much RAM.

That fish finder is going to run a high resolution display as it's main duty so it needs a decent GPU. It's probably going to be connected to the boat's 12V system, so it doesn't need to be concerned with power usage. It's going to do a lot of reads from data files and need to hold chart data and overlay other information. It needs a lot of connectivity options for all the accessories I'm going to hook up to it.

In the end the needs for the compute are pretty different based on the different tasks. I don't want an ESP32 as a desktop and my watch doesn't need dual 3080's and 128GB of RAM.

Re:My 24 year old HP Jornada can do things an iPhone still c... by NoPicklez on Thursday June 15, 2023 @11:46PM (#36350911)
I believe this actually did happen with Samsung DeX, but it clearly wasn't good enough or perhaps communicated enough.
Re:My 24 year old HP Jornada can do things an iPhone still c... by _trampeltier on Friday June 16, 2023 @04:58AM (#36353535)
This. I liked the idea from HP with there X3 phone and the Lapdock so much. All the CPU power and memory was i the phone. You could connect it to the Lapdock wireless or with a cable. The Lapdock was just a monitor, a keyboard and a battery. The idea was so cool. Sadly when it came out, Windows Mobile was already death.