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Re:The “smolnet”, build for friends and friends of friends by em-bee on Monday June 12, 2023 @12:26PM (#36296139)
20 seems a bit low. what happens if i want to invite 21 people?

many groups have a few active people and many less active people. one group i am in has about 80 members, 10-20 or which are active and keep a steady stream of communication. if the group were to grow much beyond that, it would be to much.

so you are right that 20 active people is a good group size but if there is a technical limit of 20 that means i have to police all the inactive people in order to have room for active people. seems to create more overhead than i'd be comfortable with.

wechat groups have a limit of 500 people. it's big enough to allow some flexibility for groups that have lots of members but little communication, but don't allow the groups to get so large as to get out of hand. the ideal technical limit for me is somewhere between 100 and 500. less than that and i'd run into to many corner cases because some group somewhere hit the limit. most of the groups i am active in have less than 100 members, but many have more than 20, but i am also in some groups that have more than 200 members, most of which are just reading and a few contributing.

Re:The “smolnet”, build for friends and friends of friends by asim on Monday June 12, 2023 @12:52PM (#36296650)
The 20 limit was really based on personal experience in the sense that those are 20 really high fidelity connections with people you know and interact with in a way that's more powerful than the network of 100 interrelated people. So if I have a close friend group of less than 20, in fact more like 12-15, I know that's going to be a tight knit group. Whereas if I open that up to 100, it might be more generically based around some interest like "tech dads" with passive conversation but mostly dominated by the vocal minority. Maybe there's a place for that but I'd be interested to learn and see the limits myself before opening it up. Or just charge for that 100 member group.

I know in a community setting you have more passive members than not. I just don't know if I want to start out enabling that before having really solid admin and moderation tools.

Re:The “smolnet”, build for friends and friends of friends by ilyt on Monday June 12, 2023 @12:46PM (#36296497)
I think that's spot on.

The other thing I noticed that in let's say "stable" communities (slow growth, many long term members) there is much more of self-policing going. If someone acts outside of the implicit or explicit rules there is bigger chance someone would respond to that in "hey, behave, we don't do that here" comment and 9/10 that's enough, no mod involvement is needed, no bans or other punishment needs to be applied.

When community is a lot of "random people off the street" (no effort to create account or join, just start writing) that happens much more rarely

Re:The “smolnet”, build for friends and friends of friends by em-bee on Monday June 12, 2023 @12:31PM (#36296219)
what would be interesting is a feature where the moderators can limit the group size. start with 20, and if that limit is almost reached, have an option to raise it. by that time a moderator will have an idea if the group can handle more growth or not.
Re:The “smolnet”, build for friends and friends of friends by telotortium on Monday June 12, 2023 @01:52PM (#36297907)
For Wechat specifically, I think that the group size limit of 500 may be related to Chinese law. They want group sizes to remain somewhat small to prevent news from spreading too quickly.
Re:The “smolnet”, build for friends and friends of friends by sdm on Monday June 12, 2023 @08:44PM (#36303555)
Correct, because over that size a number of censorship and monitoring requirements come into play. A lot of WeChat's early success was focused around keeping things more private. The 500 limit is part of that.
Re:The “smolnet”, build for friends and friends of friends by theptip on Monday June 12, 2023 @02:18PM (#36298387)
Demmings number seems to be a good coordination point, ie the group size where you can know everyone’s name. Around 100-125.
Re:The “smolnet”, build for friends and friends of friends by marttt on Monday June 12, 2023 @03:07PM (#36299281)
Excellent reference; I think it was Dunbar's number, though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number

"Dunbar's number is a suggested cognitive limit to the number of people with whom one can maintain stable social relationships—relationships in which an individual knows who each person is and how each person relates to every other person. This number was first proposed in the 1990s by British anthropologist Robin Dunbar, who found a correlation between primate brain size and average social group size. By using the average human brain size and extrapolating from the results of primates, he proposed that humans can comfortably maintain 150 stable relationships."

Re:The “smolnet”, build for friends and friends of friends by theptip on Monday June 12, 2023 @03:42PM (#36299788)
Quite right!