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Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to Reddit by jhallenworld on Monday June 12, 2023 @11:47AM (#36295472)
For technical discussion groups: USENET. Either moderated newsgroups or even unmoderated ones for obscure enough topics. Spam is the issue, but not much spam on USENET these days.

Also, the ham radio guys like groups.io, which is where yahoo groups migrated to. There are a lot of groups there on specific things, like Yeasu FT-857D transceiver. Groups.io has per-group file storage, which is handy for this.

Anyway on USENET, you can access it via google groups, but it's a bit non-obvious. Here is an example group:

https://groups.google.com/g/sci.math

But how can you find groups? You click on "all groups and messages" on the top, then enter a search term and hit enter. Then click "outside my org". When I do this for the term "france" it shows "4635 groups outside your organization". Open the list and look for the groups that have "." separators, for example "alt.france".

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.france

The ones without the dot separators are google groups- if you post, the message does not go outside of google. I don't know if you can create a USENET newsgroup through google groups- probably not.

It's kind of crap for discovery, but OK once you have a set of groups you use often.

Edit: actually a better way for discovery is a website like this: http://www.harley.com/usenet/master-list/index.html Once you have the name of the newsgroup, just append it to the groups.google.com/g/ (also the site provides a link).

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to Reddit by thesuitonym on Monday June 12, 2023 @12:23PM (#36296080)
An interesting take on Usenet. I have a subscription for downloading binaries, but every time I've dabbled in text posting, I've found a few incredibly abandoned groups that are the exclusive domain of some of the most ridiculous spam I've ever seen.

There are some NNTP servers that are not connected with the wider Usenet that I like (SDF, tildeverse), but of course they suffer from extremely small and niche membership.

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to Reddit by EamonnMR on Monday June 12, 2023 @06:43PM (#36302386)
Huh, SDF isn't connected to the wider usenet? Who knew.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to Reddit by jimrob4 on Monday June 12, 2023 @01:00PM (#36296832)
I was a big Usenet nerd, then switched to Reddit in the late aughts. Went back today and it was a ghostland, at least the stuff I used to frequent. Guess I need to look better, ha.
Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to Reddit by WirelessGigabit on Monday June 12, 2023 @02:15PM (#36298335)
I've only used Usenet in the past as a method of getting files, and later browsed it with Google.

How do you browse it, how do you post to it, how is spam prevented?

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to Reddit by metadaemon on Monday June 12, 2023 @12:09PM (#36295821)
Wasn't aware of groups.io for ham discussions, thanks for posting!

For USENET, I think I know the answer, but are there other consumption methods that you know of/recommend?

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to Reddit by jhallenworld on Monday June 12, 2023 @12:20PM (#36296018)
I was a USENET addict- long ago I had a shell account on "world.std.com" (The Software Tool & Die)- they were the first dial-up ISP, located in Brookline, MA. Anyway at some point they stopped- by which I mean they stopped billing me and people moved on to the web. But for at least a decade they left the machine running, and I could use it no charge.

So anyway, on a shell ISP, you read and post news with the "trn" command- "trn" is a text-only newsreader client.

For discovery- well USENET was in the filesystem. So "comp.arch" is located in /usr/spool/news/comp/arch. So you could just "find" and "grep" to discover new groups. Also there was a newsgroups file that had the full list- I forgot the name of this.

For the web today? I know there are for-pay sites, don't know any free ones. Maybe others do. Google groups was kind of good enough if you only frequented a few groups.

You can use https://www.eternal-september.org/ with a newsreader client. See: https://www.maketecheasier.com/best-usenet-newsgroups/

Re:Ask HN: Alternatives to Reddit by RobotToaster on Monday June 12, 2023 @12:18PM (#36295989)
Worth noting that google censor a bunch of usenet groups from google groups.