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Re:That's a *huge* amount of energy being transferred to the... by wyager on Monday June 12, 2023 @10:45AM (#36294408)
Wow, that's terrible. Do Germans not have as good of climate control or something? I wonder what it would take to get German energy consumption up to a better level. It looks like wholesale electricity costs in Germany are around 4x higher than in the US.
Re:That's a *huge* amount of energy being transferred to the... by milliams on Monday June 12, 2023 @12:31PM (#36296232)
I think you missed the

  PER YEAR
part. 3500 kwh per year is only 292 kwh per month, which is about three times lower than the US number quoted.
Re:That's a *huge* amount of energy being transferred to the... by wyager on Monday June 12, 2023 @12:44PM (#36296449)
I didn't miss that. I'm saying it's concerning that Germany's energy availability is so impoverished. To quote myself:

> I wonder what it would take to get German energy consumption up to a better level.

Re:That's a *huge* amount of energy being transferred to the... by Timon3 on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @06:55AM (#36308296)
What is bad about using less energy? What is good about using more?
Re:That's a *huge* amount of energy being transferred to the... by wyager on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @09:19PM (#36320075)
Energy usage is synonymous with level of civilization. I like civilization.
Re:That's a *huge* amount of energy being transferred to the... by Timon3 on Wednesday June 14, 2023 @02:16AM (#36322069)
And yet, america uses much more. Shouldn't that give you a pause? :)

Jokes aside, you're describing a correlation. America does not seem "more civilized" to me, you guys are just wasteful. Wasted energy does not lead to more civilization.

Re:That's a *huge* amount of energy being transferred to the... by wyager on Friday June 16, 2023 @06:43PM (#36364980)
> Shouldn't that give you a pause?

No; It's completely consistent with my model. America is more advanced by a huge margin. It's also evidently a more desirable place to live; the Germany-to-USA migration rate is something like 3x the other direction.

Re:That's a *huge* amount of energy being transferred to the... by Brotkrumen on Monday June 12, 2023 @04:17PM (#36300356)
>what it would take to get German energy consumption up to a better level

That's a good question. Prices are a good start. Consumer prices seem to be twice in G as in the US. Don't know where you get the "wholesale price is 4x in G". Most of what I can find is that wholesale is usually pretty close.

My guess of what G could do to increase consumption and thus moneys:

- Lower prices (duh). End user power is taxed heavily to subsidize industry power

- Remove mandatory energy labels on all electronics. Who really needs to know how much a TV or fridge is going to consume in power?

- Mandate "power-included" in rents. If you pay a fixed sum, you might as well leave the fridge open to cool the kitchen

- Mandate central heating and cooling. If you only pay a share of what you consume, might as well go full blast on everything

- stop subsidizing energy efficiency for new single and multi-tenant homes.

- stop building solid houses. Plywood walls are fine

Nice comparison on power prices: https://www.iea.org/reports/electricity-market-report-decemb...