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Re:New York City will charge drivers going downtown. Other c... by josephcsible on Sunday June 11, 2023 @12:38AM (#36278098)
> Some of us prefer it over the suburbs. You don’t have to. No one is forcing you.

A lot of people say suburbs are bad and that we need to get rid of them.

Re:New York City will charge drivers going downtown. Other c... by nimbleplum40 on Sunday June 11, 2023 @12:44AM (#36278148)
Sure, there are people with extreme views on any issue.

The existence of those people doesn’t have any bearing on whether or not we should have congestion pricing in one of the densest urban environments in the world.

Re:New York City will charge drivers going downtown. Other c... by acdha on Sunday June 11, 2023 @11:10AM (#36282108)
Suburbs are unequivocally bad for the environment but saying they shouldn’t be subsidized isn’t saying they should be banned. A high fraction of our problems could be solved with market mechanisms to capture the cost of externalities like carbon emissions or habitat destruction, so those factor into people’s buying decisions. Tolls are one of the most important mechanisms for cities to do this because much of the 20th century was spent redesigning cities for non-residents at the expense of the local economy, tax base, health, and quality of life for residents.

We’re seeing this happen partially as the insurance industry adjusts to climate change drives flooding and fires but it’s incomplete and needs to be combined with zoning reform in many cities.