Re:Debian 12 'Bookworm' is the excitement-free Linux you've ...
by horeszko on Friday June 09, 2023 @11:09PM
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Thank you for the links, I didn't know systemd went against the grain re: unix philosophy. Reading the links and some of the criticisms of systemd, it makes me wonder, why do so many distros default to systemd?
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Re:Debian 12 'Bookworm' is the excitement-free Linux you've ...
by unmole on Friday June 09, 2023 @11:52PM
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> why do so many distros default to systemd?
Because it solves real problems: https://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html
Re:Debian 12 'Bookworm' is the excitement-free Linux you've ...
by saurik on Saturday June 10, 2023 @01:56AM
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I started scrolling through that and came across a chart that has "interfacing via d-bus" as a green feature instead of a red bug at the very top of the list and I'm having a hard time taking it seriously. And I liked the shell scripts that Linux classically had been using: it meant I could read and trace what was happening. I dunno... if you have "modular C" as a feature and "shell scripts" as a bug you probably have made up a bunch of "problems" the same way people who would always whine about their languages and frameworks not being "modern" often do :/.
Re:Debian 12 'Bookworm' is the excitement-free Linux you've ...
by klysm on Monday June 12, 2023 @02:35AM
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In reality the shell scripts used in the previous generation of init systems were difficult to follow. I agree that dbus is perhaps heavy weight, but it does provide an API. You can run systemd without it.
Re:Debian 12 'Bookworm' is the excitement-free Linux you've ...
by pjmlp on Saturday June 10, 2023 @01:53AM
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UNIX philosophy is just a book quote that never was uphold in practice in big iron UNIX, even though it gets repeated all the time in FOSS circles.
As for systemd hate, again, most big iron UNIX have introduced similar infrastructure way before systemd came to be.
OS X has launchd, Solaris and its descendants have SMF, for example.
Re:Debian 12 'Bookworm' is the excitement-free Linux you've ...
by cf100clunk on Saturday June 10, 2023 @12:37PM
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Many, many distros are directly derivative of a ''parent'' distro like Debian. If the parent distro sneezes, almost all of those derivative distros do likewise.