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Re:Reddit CEO doubles down on attack on Apollo developer in ... by jongjong on Friday June 09, 2023 @06:06PM (#36264866)
Something similar also happened to me with my previous employer. After I quit, the founders tried to make it look like I was blackmailing them. Shortly after, they were forced to change their story (at least the one told to my ex-colleagues) because my colleagues knew why I had wanted to quit since months and they knew it didn't make any sense... Cringe. Anyway in my case, they told one story to employees and a different story to investors. Unfortunately, it's very easy for certain founders to tell 3 different stories to 3 different sets of people these days and the lies exist in parallel and never reconcile for years due to divergent incentives and class divides (and media filter bubbles).
Re:Reddit CEO doubles down on attack on Apollo developer in ... by hutzlibu on Friday June 09, 2023 @06:21PM (#36265049)
"Unfortunately, it's very easy for certain founders to tell 3 different stories to 3 different sets of people these days and the lies exist in parallel and never reconcile for years due to divergent incentives and class divides (and media filter bubbles)."

"These days" .. but was it better before?

The ruling class literally spoke a different language (aristocraties in europe french and the clerics latin).

That made it even easier to seperate realities and not accidently share insights to peasants what they are not supposed to hear.

Re:Reddit CEO doubles down on attack on Apollo developer in ... by sshine on Friday June 09, 2023 @06:33PM (#36265199)
I think it's more likely that investors don't mind that the CEO is a two-face liar if he can make the company profitable up to an IPO.

"Community" is such an intangible KPI.

Re:Reddit CEO doubles down on attack on Apollo developer in ... by bionhoward on Friday June 09, 2023 @06:37PM (#36265226)
What makes you say that Community is intangible?
Re:Reddit CEO doubles down on attack on Apollo developer in ... by chmod775 on Friday June 09, 2023 @06:47PM (#36265332)
An intangible key performance indicator is qualitative rather than quantitative and can't be easily measured. Community clearly falls under any common definition you'll find.

That said, I don't think community could be considered tangible in any context?

Re:Reddit CEO doubles down on attack on Apollo developer in ... by sshine on Friday June 09, 2023 @07:14PM (#36265614)
There was a bit of sarcasm implied.

Community is tangible.

And there are tangible KPIs for measuring the health of a community.

But Reddit's community health is clearly not proportional to Reddit's profits.

It's just another way of saying: VCs and users don't agree what makes Reddit great.

Re:Reddit CEO doubles down on attack on Apollo developer in ... by chmod775 on Friday June 09, 2023 @07:43PM (#36265876)
> Community is tangible.

How do you define tangible vs. intangible assets so that community ends up being a tangible asset?

Re:Reddit CEO doubles down on attack on Apollo developer in ... by sshine on Friday June 09, 2023 @08:11PM (#36266098)
There is too much word confusion going on.

I said "Community is an intangible KPI" and someone asked "What makes you say Community is intangible?" -- but I didn't say that. Then I said "Community is tangible" and what I meant by that is: There is a well understood definition of what a community is. Now you ask "How do you define tangible vs. intangible assets?" but I'm not saying that community value is easily convertible into economic value.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/asset.asp

  An asset is a resource with economic value that an individual, corporation, or country owns or controls with the expectation that it will provide a future benefit.

  Assets are reported on a company's balance sheet. They're classified as current, fixed, financial, and intangible. They are bought or created to increase a firm's value or benefit the firm's operations. 

   An asset can be thought of as something that, in the future, can generate cash flow, reduce expenses, or improve sales, regardless of whether it's manufacturing equipment or a patent.
One thing you could consider is moderator interaction as increasing the value of the platform in proportion to the hours spent, like you do when accounting a salaried software developer as increasing the value of the product by getting paid. (It's a proxy, of course.)

I assume that shareholders are not stupid when it comes to the cost of potentially killing communities, and they believe that more ad exposure + some AI model based on Reddit's data will deliver more economic value than the current free API.

I think where the difference in conviction is:

  - How much will killing 3rd-party apps as we know them affect Reddit's community health?
  - How much will a deteriorated community health affect the future output of LLMs based on Reddit data?
I'm willing to bet on an outcome that looks like Twitter's.
Re:Reddit CEO doubles down on attack on Apollo developer in ... by rebolek on Friday June 09, 2023 @06:52PM (#36265385)
He had eighteen years to make the company profitable.
Re:Reddit CEO doubles down on attack on Apollo developer in ... by walterbell on Friday June 09, 2023 @06:20PM (#36265028)
> founders to tell 3 different stories to 3 different sets of people these days and the lies exist in parallel and never reconcile for years due to divergent incentives and class divides (and media filter bubbles)

The cost of automated detection of story arbitrage is also falling, e.g. hypothetical StoryGPT analysis of testimony to a blockchain (or paper) notary.

Re:Reddit CEO doubles down on attack on Apollo developer in ... by vkou on Friday June 09, 2023 @06:31PM (#36265168)
You're assuming that anyone cares about dishonesty.
Re:Reddit CEO doubles down on attack on Apollo developer in ... by walterbell on Friday June 09, 2023 @06:47PM (#36265325)
Investors have a financial incentive to care.

Hedge funds have a financial incentive to uncover deception or incongruent claims.

Re:Reddit CEO doubles down on attack on Apollo developer in ... by psyklic on Friday June 09, 2023 @07:23PM (#36265698)
This happened to me too. After I left our company, my business partner told new investors there was never a CTO. However, for nearly a year we had jointly agreed I was CTO -- and he routinely put it in writing.

When the new investors found out, my business partner demanded I remove CTO from my website, writing it was "technically incorrect".