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Re:The Making of the First Ever Fully Painted Feature Film “... by Daub on Friday June 09, 2023 @04:31AM (#36254961)
Forget the way that his paintings now decorate the front of chocolate-boxes, Van Gogh was one of the most hard-core artists who has ever lived. His relentless pursuit of 'vérité' drove his to some obsessive extremes.

- As a youngish man, he married a worn-out, alcoholic, middle-aged prostitute. It was she that likely gave him syphilis that in the end drove him insane. She eventually committed suicide.

- He was rejected from the priesthood for being a zealot.

- He started a simultaneous translation of the bible from Latin to English, German and French.

- On many occasions, attempting to create a spiritual union with the working class, he gave up his comfortable middle-class life to live a life of unreal austerity. This is where his painting 'The Potato Eaters' comes from.

- Even his own father wanted to commit him to a lunatic asylum.

He was also, quite frankly, very poorly gifted as an artist. Doubt me? Check out this drawing done when he was 27 (my 19 yo students can draw better): https://www.incredibleart.org/lessons/drama/carpenter.jpg

However, he was also uniquely bloody-minded and eventually found his own way of doing things which was crafted from diverse sources (impressionism, Japanese wood block prints, Dutch genre painting etc). Contributing to this was the atelier system, which was an art school system located away from the establishment.

If he had been born post 1960, he would have been another GG Allin.

Re:The Making of the First Ever Fully Painted Feature Film “... by alex_duf on Friday June 09, 2023 @05:37AM (#36255439)
What does "hard-core" mean in this context? Because from what you write down I can only see a miserable life heavily influenced by mental illness.
Re:The Making of the First Ever Fully Painted Feature Film “... by Daub on Friday June 09, 2023 @05:59AM (#36255612)
I guess it means... committing to a self-destructive life in order to serve a creative vision: 'Dive deep, come up wealthy'. Its not the only way for a creative individual to function, but I could easily list many from the top of my head without even breaking sweat.

From a broader perspective, it is an application of a 'limit case' technique: by mapping the limits one defines the whole.

Re:The Making of the First Ever Fully Painted Feature Film “... by sdwr on Friday June 09, 2023 @09:33AM (#36257578)
Love the connection there! Gotta witness the breakdown to find the true boundaries.
Re:The Making of the First Ever Fully Painted Feature Film “... by nemo44x on Friday June 09, 2023 @08:12AM (#36256618)
He was also quite prolific. His output is insane for the short number of years he was active. And it’s all very high quality for the most part.

He was an artist who got shit done.

Re:The Making of the First Ever Fully Painted Feature Film “... by Daub on Friday June 09, 2023 @08:43AM (#36257015)
That is a good point. His 'a la prima' technique was crafted to produce quick results that either succeed or failed: quality via quantity. Typically, his paintings took one or two days to produce.
Re:The Making of the First Ever Fully Painted Feature Film “... by nemo44x on Friday June 09, 2023 @10:32AM (#36258389)
Yeah, he'd probably be impressed with Bob Ross' technique.
Re:The Making of the First Ever Fully Painted Feature Film “... by kgwgk on Friday June 09, 2023 @08:17AM (#36256673)
> As a youngish man, he married a worn-out, alcoholic, middle-aged prostitute.

She was three years older than him at most and they were not married.

Re:The Making of the First Ever Fully Painted Feature Film “... by Daub on Friday June 09, 2023 @08:36AM (#36256944)
I stand corrected. However the drawings of her indicate a woman who is prematurely broken by life. Google 'Sorrow' by Van Gogh... that is her. Compare that to Van G's self portraits done at the same time.
Re:The Making of the First Ever Fully Painted Feature Film “... by purerandomness on Friday June 09, 2023 @12:39PM (#36260407)
> a woman who is prematurely broken by life

Is this painting of a girl with her head on her arms and knees [1] your understanding of being "prematurely broken by life"?

[1] https://www.vangoghmuseum.nl/en/collection/p0002V1962

Re:The Making of the First Ever Fully Painted Feature Film “... by quelltext on Friday June 09, 2023 @12:45PM (#36260489)
A girl?

That looks like a painting of a geriatric.

Re:The Making of the First Ever Fully Painted Feature Film “... by Daub on Friday June 09, 2023 @07:39PM (#36265833)
Yep. That's the one.
Re:The Making of the First Ever Fully Painted Feature Film “... by jb1991 on Friday June 09, 2023 @09:06AM (#36257258)
You are being surprisingly hard on his natural talent. I once saw a drawing he did and was blown away by it, only to discover he was something like 12 or 14 when he did it.
Re:The Making of the First Ever Fully Painted Feature Film “... by andsoitis on Friday June 09, 2023 @09:42AM (#36257691)
> He was also, quite frankly, very poorly gifted as an artist. Doubt me? Check out this drawing done when he was 27 (my 19 yo students can draw better)

Come on. While your students might be able to draw better than Vincent, they are very very likely not even close to being able to create the incredible art he has made.

If you haven't been to the Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam, you should go and compare against your students' work (or, against many many artists, for that matter).

Re:The Making of the First Ever Fully Painted Feature Film “... by Daub on Friday June 09, 2023 @10:21AM (#36258213)
I agree. That is actually the point I was making... differentiating Being a capable painter/draftsman from being a capable artist.

Check out Mary Casset... A great technician but a meh artist compared to Renoir who had a tenth the skill but ten times the soul.

Re:The Making of the First Ever Fully Painted Feature Film “... by dreamcompiler on Saturday June 10, 2023 @12:13AM (#36267533)
Cassatt.
Re:The Making of the First Ever Fully Painted Feature Film “... by mejutoco on Friday June 09, 2023 @10:05AM (#36257992)
I don't know. I do not dislike Van Gogh, and his life certainly was colourful. To me, when I think of Van Gogh, more than any intrinsically gifted artist (I think this of Dalí, for instance) I think of the time that chose him.

He was ignored all his life and only later he was a hero of individuality. The romantic idea of a struggling artist. I am not saying technically it was not interesting (maybe the materic painting comes from something like his thick paint technique) but Goya, for example, could claim similar things.

Overall, I think it is the best example of a struggling artist where the story of his life matters more than the paintings. I hope it does not seem insensitive.