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Re:10 years after Snowden's first leak, what have we learned? by edanm on Thursday June 08, 2023 @03:54AM (#36238600)
(Note: I'm Israeli)

You are simplifying the issue to the point of absurdity. It's not "Israelis are angels, Palestinians are devils", but it's not the reverse either. It's a complex issue in which there isn't an easy path out, because of the actions of both sides.

Israel isn't solely to blame for the problems of the Palestinians; they were even refugees in Arab countries before they became Israeli refugees. And their current situation is at least partially caused by themselves, and at least partially caused by the fact that other powers in the region have a lot of incentive for the conflict to continue. It's also partially caused by Israel having incentive to continue the current situation, as it is strategically beneficial to Israel. (Which of course doesn't make it right!)

More to the point of your original post, I think coverage of the Israeli-Palestinian situation is very biased against Israel in most parts of the world, including the US. And I say this even as someone who is very "leftist" in my views of the situation, and absolutely hate what our current government is doing (in many ways, but including in this way). And in fact, I hate how Israel has acted over the last many years, though I, like most Israeli, have no idea how to "fix" the current situation.

Re:10 years after Snowden's first leak, what have we learned? by epups on Thursday June 08, 2023 @06:48AM (#36239778)
Your country is an effective Apartheid regime, and every week it murders dozens of innocents in name of an illegal occupation. Those are the facts, and it is all you need to know. The rest is moral equivocation at best.
Re:10 years after Snowden's first leak, what have we learned? by mu53 on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:19AM (#36240006)
He gave a nuanced answer acknowledging the complexity of history and human behavior. Your response made it black and white.

At what point in history did any leader of Israel have any chance to change the course of history? I have learned more about this subject than I have wanted to, and since the event that ended in 1945, they have done the best they can with what they had

Re:10 years after Snowden's first leak, what have we learned? by shrimp_emoji on Thursday June 08, 2023 @10:48AM (#36242772)
They conquered the whole Sinai peninsula and then gave it back! Beats Russia's track record.
Re:10 years after Snowden's first leak, what have we learned? by epups on Thursday June 08, 2023 @11:56AM (#36244045)
The situation here is black and white. Israel is and has been on the driver's seat for the last 50 years, and for decades now has been practicing terrorism and collective punishment against civilians. They could, I don't know, not bomb children and assassinate journalists like they do every other week?
Re:10 years after Snowden's first leak, what have we learned? by woooooo on Thursday June 08, 2023 @09:42AM (#36241752)
I was with you on the nuance until you said "US" -- we have actual laws making it illegal to boycott Israel in a bunch of states. Its not illegal to boycott anything else on the planet, just Israel.

Any politician who steps out of line on the issue, even just pointing at obvious facts on the ground, is disciplined immediately. See what happened to Rashida Tlaib a few years ago for making mild factual observations.

Re:10 years after Snowden's first leak, what have we learned? by edanm on Thursday June 08, 2023 @10:44AM (#36242699)
I'm not sure you're being accurate about the laws against boycotting Israel - from what I remember, there's only laws against the federal government hiring workers that boycott Israel. A private citizen (or company) can still boycott Israel to their heart's content, IIRC. I could be wrong on that though.

I'm opposed to laws against boycotting, fwiw.

Re:10 years after Snowden's first leak, what have we learned? by woooooo on Friday June 09, 2023 @11:30AM (#36259332)
Either way, no other country or organization gets that level of deference over here.
Re:10 years after Snowden's first leak, what have we learned? by jacooper on Thursday June 08, 2023 @12:45PM (#36244844)
Its not a complex issue, stop your BS.

Its an occupation started by the Arther Balfour deceleration in 1917. Started with Zionist crime gangs that later turned into the mossad and other occupational military forces who run the apartheid occupation.

It doesn't matter where Palestinians come from, why they live there, etc, ITS AN OCCUPATION, as simple as that.

Its an occupation of one of the holliest lands for all three religions, with ethnic cleansing against Palestinian Muslims and Christians, through every way possible, killing journalists, children, families, mass killings.

Yet when Palestinians go to defend their land and their rights they are called terrorists, what unfavorable coverage are you talking about? Palestinians throwing Molotovs against occupation forces? Terrorists, Ukrainians doing the exact same thing? Heros.

Re:10 years after Snowden's first leak, what have we learned? by DSingularity on Thursday June 08, 2023 @06:49PM (#36250339)
I mean in some ways the fact that Israelis are not all angels and Palestinians are not all devils is precisely my point. But look at the US media. They border line worship the Israeli army. Yeah — the same army that assassinated Tamimis father and killed her baby brother in the process. The same army that protects a sniper that journalist Shireen in the head. How is that not fucked?

But the whole “both sides are wrong” issue is total bullshit. One side has all the power and the other exists below the boot. One side is actively ethnically cleansing Palestine and the other side is being ethnically cleansed. You can’t possibly make both sides equal in blame.