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Re:Apple's game porting toolkit is fantastic. Cyberpunk 2077... by zelon88 on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @09:35PM (#36236073)
> I'm not, and likely won't ever be, in the market for a gaming PC. I can't justify the purchase.

Coincidentally you are in the market every couple of years for new Apple hardware because of planned obsolescence. Why? Because Apple designs proprietary metal that they are unwilling / unable to support every few years because they instead develop new hardware that completely breaks backwards compatibility. Then release updates to sandbag your older hardware when you still refuse to upgrade.

I just think it's funny that you'll buy three highly proprietary Mac computers every three years but you won't buy one industry standardized PC that does it all and can be upgraded. And Apple banks on you doing that and takes you to the cleaners every chance they can. And you still bag on PC's citing the economical sensibility of Apple.

Re:Apple's game porting toolkit is fantastic. Cyberpunk 2077... by afavour on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @10:03PM (#36236243)
Every couple of years? My MacBooks typically last a lot longer than that. I know some people do chase the latest releases but in my experience MacBooks remain plenty usable for years after purchase.

I won’t buy an industry standardized PC that can be upgraded because I need a laptop. PC laptops aren’t a whole lot more upgradable than Apple ones, it just comes with the territory.

> And you still bag on PCs

The defensiveness here is unwarranted. At no point did I “bag on” PCs. I simply stated that I am not in the market to buy a standalone PC just for playing games.

Re:Apple's game porting toolkit is fantastic. Cyberpunk 2077... by singhrac on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @11:09PM (#36236689)
I really can’t understand this argument. Apple has the least planned obsolescence of any major manufacturer available.

The only upgradeable laptop you can buy is the Framework, which is more expensive than a baseline MBP. It also didn’t exist until a few years ago, so we don’t know if it has 10 years of longevity. What I do know is that my 2015 MBP still has hours of battery life even after being used daily for many years.

As far as software, 2017 MBPs can download Ventura, which will be supported until 2025, which seems like a long time to me.

Re:Apple's game porting toolkit is fantastic. Cyberpunk 2077... by goosedragons on Thursday June 08, 2023 @11:05AM (#36243086)
The vast majority of PC laptops let you upgrade at least the SSD. Usually the WiFi card is socketed too and can be swapped out. And it's really not THAT hard to find laptops that still have socketed RAM if you care to.

Had you bought a ThinkPad T450 instead of your 2015 MBP, you could have upgraded the RAM, upgraded the SSD with a standard M.2 NVMe drive instead of having to hunt for a compatible one with an adapter (don't worry Apple closed that loophole in 2016, no more upgrades at all), easily replaced the battery if need be and still be running Windows 10 which is supported to at least 2025.

Apple's support is better on iOS devices than the incredibly low bar set by Android, but in the computer space they are incredibly unpredictable (will this model be supported 5 or 10 years? Who knows!) and not particularly good.

Re:Apple's game porting toolkit is fantastic. Cyberpunk 2077... by singhrac on Thursday June 08, 2023 @01:03PM (#36245142)
I suspect we might have to agree to disagree here, but the T450 and 2015 MBP make very different tradeoffs. I might be looking at the wrong model, but I see a 1600x900 screen (while my MBP had a 2560x1600 screen), and (admittedly high quality) plastic case vs aluminum. Immediately before the MBP I owned a Dell XPS laptop that stopped charging ~2 years into ownership.

Aren't the processors not upgradeable in either case? I really doubt you could happily use a Haswell i5 processor in 2023 without feeling limited.. even if just because software (the OS, websites, etc.) assume a higher performance floor.

Re:Apple's game porting toolkit is fantastic. Cyberpunk 2077... by goosedragons on Friday June 09, 2023 @08:24AM (#36256772)
Obviously there's tradeoffs. Your previous post mentioned that a 2017 MBP is still usable on Ventura and supported until 2025, is a 2017 14nm dual core i5 really a huge leap over a 2015 14nm dual core i5? Which would be more usable the one stuck at 8GB RAM, 128GB SSD and a bit faster CPU or the one upgraded with 16GB RAM (~$40), a $70 1TB SSD and a slower CPU?