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Re:Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noref... by dang on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @03:53PM (#36232565)
Banning the domain actually doesn't work because people see that the domain is banned, observe that there's nothing wrong with the domain, and then accuse us of being unfair and hostile to the author/site. In doing that they usually jump to the most uncharitable, horrible reasons they can imagine for why we might have done so.

It doesn't work to say "but they asked us to ban their site" because there's no reliable way to get that message to people.

Re:Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noref... by MiguelHudnandez on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @04:18PM (#36232923)
Sounds like a good opportunity for a distinction between banning and opting out, or at a note field where mods can put some text pertaining to the reasoning behind it. I feel like you and the community will be better served with some nuance around banning domains.

On a side note, I think HN had a long history of non-toxic behavior but I'm starting to see a shift. It reminds me of when Reddit grew and the crowd became more and more unruly. Has the community grown quickly recently or have moderation priorities changed? Sorry I don't have any evidence lined up for this, just an anecdotal observation for now. Seems apropos to this issue in particular.

If a group of users here are disrespectful enough to attack creators for personal reasons and it's boiling over like this, that's a really bad sign.

Re:Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noref... by jix on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @04:12PM (#36232856)
"In doing that they usually jump to the most uncharitable, horrible reasons they can imagine for why we might have done so."

So you do understand why one wouldn't want to deal with a significant part of the user base here given that they behave in such ways, and thus why one might want to avoid any traffic coming from here, but feel that it's not your job to deal with those users, because then their behavior would affect you? I really hope you'll reflect on that...

Re:Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noref... by rascul on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @04:54PM (#36233418)
I didn't see any evidence for the claims made.
Re:Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noref... by dang on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @05:31PM (#36233832)
I haven't expressed myself clearly enough if that's a possible response to what I tried to say there.

Unfortunately I'm at a workshop today and not free to take the hours I normally would to go over the explanation until it's completely clear and understandable. I only have a few minutes of break time. Perhaps it would have been better not to try in the first place, under such circumstnaces; but I'm not going to delete my GP comment now.

Re:Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noref... by bigbillheck on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:11AM (#36239945)
I've read it a couple times and it's hard for me to disagree with them. It sounds an awful lot like you're saying 'if we ban the domain, people will yell at me and get mad,' with the implication of 'and I would rather they yell and get mad at someone else.'
Re:Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noref... by dingledork69 on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @04:04PM (#36232731)
Please don't and just keep the noreferrer, but if you do insist on banning the domain then you could perhaps add an explanation that it was at the request of the site author. Preferably with a link to this post or something else showcasing the insanity.
Re:Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noref... by bigbillheck on Thursday June 08, 2023 @07:15AM (#36239974)
Why is it that you characterize their view as 'insanity'?
Re:Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noref... by dingledork69 on Thursday June 08, 2023 @08:42AM (#36240917)
They think they get to control who visits their website without putting up authentication controls, and choose to fight this battle by breaking Google's rules for deceptive websites (white text on white background).
Re:Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noref... by bigbillheck on Thursday June 08, 2023 @02:48PM (#36246720)
Google, despite their best efforts, does not yet own the internet.