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Re:Bard is getting better at logic and reasoning by munchler on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @02:38PM (#36231378)
Why is the answer ~29 liters? Since it takes just over two minutes to complete a lap, you can complete no more than 9 laps in 20 minutes. At 2.73 liters/lap, that's 9 x 2.73 = 24.57 liters, no? Or maybe I don't understand the rules.
Re:Bard is getting better at logic and reasoning by KeplerBoy on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @02:45PM (#36231508)
Probably just some margin of safety. At least that's how it's done in non-sim racing.
Re:Bard is getting better at logic and reasoning by nmarinov on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @02:56PM (#36231713)
From the referenced thread[0]:

> GPT-3.5 gave me a right-ish answer of 24.848 liters, but it did not realize the last lap needs to be completed once the leader finishes. GPT-4 gave me 28-29 liters as the answer, recognizing that a partial lap needs to be added due to race rules, and that it's good to have 1-2 liters of safety buffer.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35893130

Re:Bard is getting better at logic and reasoning by geysersam on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @04:40PM (#36233230)
I don't believe that for a second. If that's the answer it gave it's cherry picked and lucky. There are many examples where GPT4 fails spectacularly at much simpler reasoning tasks.

I still think ChatGPT is amazing, but we shouldn't pretend it's something it isn't. I wouldn't trust GPT4 to tell me how much fuel I should put in my car. Would you?

Re:Bard is getting better at logic and reasoning by mustacheemperor on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @04:49PM (#36233347)
>I don't believe that for a second.

This seems needlessly flippant and dismissive, especially when you could just crack open ChatGPT to verify, assuming you have plus or api access. I just did, and ChatGPT gave me a well-reasoned explanation that factored in the extra details about racing the other commenters noted.

>There are many examples where GPT4 fails spectacularly at much simpler reasoning tasks.

I pose it would be more productive conversation if you would share some of those examples, so we can all compare them to the rather impressive example the top comment shared.

>I wouldn't trust GPT4 to tell me how much fuel I should put in my car. Would you?

Not if I was trying to win a race, but I can see how this particular example is a useful way to gauge how an LLM handles a task that looks at first like a simple math problem but requires some deeper insight to answer correctly.

Re:Bard is getting better at logic and reasoning by majormajor on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @05:30PM (#36233815)
> Not if I was trying to win a race, but I can see how this particular example is a useful way to gauge how an LLM handles a task that looks at first like a simple math problem but requires some deeper insight to answer correctly.

It's not just testing reasoning, though, it's also testing fairly niche knowledge. I think a better test of pure reasoning would include all the rules and tips like "it's good to have some buffer" in the prompt.

Re:Bard is getting better at logic and reasoning by Kiro on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @07:46PM (#36235258)
At least debunk the example before you start talking about the shortcomings. Right now your comment feels really misplaced when it's a reply to an example where it actually shows a great deal of complex reasoning.
Re:Bard is getting better at logic and reasoning by underyx on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @03:07PM (#36231873)
> you can complete no more than 9 laps in 20 minutes

Note that according to standard racing rules, this means you end up driving 10 laps in total, because the last incomplete lap is driven to completion by every driver. The rest of the extra fuel comes from adding a safety buffer, as various things can make you use a bit more fuel than expected: the bit of extra driving leading up to the start of the race, racing incidents and consequent damage to the car, difference in driving style, fighting other cars a lot, needing to carry the extra weight of enough fuel for a whole race compared to the practice fuel load where 2.73 l/lap was measured.

What I really appreciate in GPT-4 is that even though the question looks like a simple math problem, it actually took these real world considerations into account when answering.

Re:Bard is getting better at logic and reasoning by bragr on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @04:26PM (#36233058)
Yeah in my attempt at this prompt, it even explained:

>Since you cannot complete a fraction of a lap, you'll need to round up to the nearest whole lap. Therefore, you'll be completing 10 laps in the race.

Re:Bard is getting better at logic and reasoning by dsjoerg on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @08:14PM (#36235460)
> Since it takes just over two minutes to complete a lap

Where did you get that from?

Re:Bard is getting better at logic and reasoning by Nition on Thursday June 08, 2023 @12:26AM (#36237183)
The qualifying time was 2:04.317