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Re:Bees Can Learn, Remember, Think and Make Decisions by AHOHA on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @09:40PM (#36221697)
“Brits: Bees are sentient now!”
Re:Bees Can Learn, Remember, Think and Make Decisions by ggm on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @09:56PM (#36221844)
All this means in practice is that they have to be killed as humanely as possible.

We're not actually establishing an embassy with the Squid, Lobster or Crab nations.

Re:Bees Can Learn, Remember, Think and Make Decisions by Thorham on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @11:23PM (#36222471)
Or we could just not kill them?
Re:Bees Can Learn, Remember, Think and Make Decisions by samplatt on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @12:15AM (#36222749)
We have to actively TRY to stop killing other human beings; animals and plants haven't got a chance.
Re:Bees Can Learn, Remember, Think and Make Decisions by throwawaaarrgh on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @12:43AM (#36222916)
Most people care a lot more about animals than humans. I've never seen anybody take a stay injured human home and nurse it back to health
Re:Bees Can Learn, Remember, Think and Make Decisions by devjab on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @01:13AM (#36223107)
In most civilised countries we actually care so much that we chose to spend a substantial part of our public budget on helping injured humans as a collective.
Re:Bees Can Learn, Remember, Think and Make Decisions by AHOHA on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @01:53AM (#36223351)
We care so much now that we are funding programs that put them out of their misery (1), a misery created by our civilized system and compassion communities!

(1) https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/cj-jp/ad-am/bk-di.html

Re:Bees Can Learn, Remember, Think and Make Decisions by sokoloff on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @05:17AM (#36224641)
Among the many kind things we did for our first dog, the kindest thing was making and carrying out the decision to euthanize her to spare her what was likely to be months of additional suffering.

That that is taboo for humans in many places is something that I hope continues to evolve. It shouldn't be illegal to treat a family member with the same compassion that we can treat our pets.

Re:Bees Can Learn, Remember, Think and Make Decisions by TeMPOraL on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @03:54AM (#36224128)
That's because pretty much every country on the planet has some form of organized search&rescue and emergency medical services. Before that, it was much more common.

You also have to take into account that dealing with other people is much trickier than dealing with animals - and potentially much more dangerous.

Animals are simpler and predictable. There's only so much one can do to you if it gets aggressive - that's by selection, as if you found a wounded lion or other similarly dangerous animal, you'd likely shoot it dead rather than try and nurse it back to health. Can't exactly do that with humans.

Then, at high level, animal motivations are simple - avoiding threats, securing food, surviving. Humans can lie, cheat, rob you, or rape you. On the one hand, most people won't do that. On the other hand, real injuries requiring taking someone in are rare enough that staged ones are non-negligible possibility to consider. That, and acts of opportunity.

In short: humans are dangerous. If it were any other animal, we'd put it out of its misery too.

Fortunately, this too is something emergency services solve - instead of taking someone in privately, you need to, at most, shelter them short-term, and the moment you call 911 / 112, emergency response and law enforcement organizations of your country become involved, instantly granting you a large degree of protection. All that makes being helpful much easier than in the past.

Re:Bees Can Learn, Remember, Think and Make Decisions by NoMoreNicksLeft on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @09:55AM (#36226830)
Why not? They're food.
Re:Bees Can Learn, Remember, Think and Make Decisions by AHOHA on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @11:39PM (#36222551)
>to be killed as humanely as possible.

“It’s better for these animals not to be treated in humanely way”, said other humans:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_war_crimes

Re:Bees Can Learn, Remember, Think and Make Decisions by sclarisse on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @12:14AM (#36222747)
Maybe we could at least consider the lobster.

http://www.columbia.edu/~col8/lobsterarticle.pdf (David Foster Wallace)

Re:Bees Can Learn, Remember, Think and Make Decisions by tjnaylor on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @12:54AM (#36222989)
I saw this article posted on another thread today. I already read it years ago, but returning to it still felt very fresh once again. DFW writes with such an aware, candid, and at times gentle voice. So glad he wrote as much as he did, so sad there isn't even more.

Thinking of him reminds me we all have to remember to cherish, take care of, and be gentle with ourselves and one another.

Re:Bees Can Learn, Remember, Think and Make Decisions by hotpotamus on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @12:20AM (#36222783)
I keep bees and enjoy them on a few levels, but they're far from being sentimental animals. They regularly kill their siblings off for one reason or another; I find it helpful to think of the hive as a single, distributed organism with the individuals akin to cells.
Re:Bees Can Learn, Remember, Think and Make Decisions by p1necone on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @12:46AM (#36222934)
Alternatively phrased: bee "sentimental" is different from human "sentimental" - we make self sacrifices to help other individual humans, bees make (self & other individual) sacrifices to help the hive as a whole.
Re:Bees Can Learn, Remember, Think and Make Decisions by nosianu on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @05:17AM (#36224639)
We do sacrifice our own. Death penalty for one, and sending soldiers into battle, two different examples.
Re:Bees Can Learn, Remember, Think and Make Decisions by flangola7 on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @12:44AM (#36222926)
Well, they're obviously sentient.