Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentient beings under UK law

Re:Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentien... by hombre_fatal on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @03:02PM (#36217528)

Humans don’t have to do it. Just like widespread rape in the animal kingdom and in human history doesn’t give me moral justification to do it today.

Though even before getting that far, humans are participants in one of your scenarios and not the other. What other animal behaviors justify your human behaviors? Can any of them? Does another intelligence have moral justification in farming humans on the same basis?

There are some absurd reductios here that you’d have to sign off on.

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Re:Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentien... by valval on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @03:07PM (#36217605)

We kinda do though. We need many of the nutrients present only in various animal-based products to remain healthy.

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Re:Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentien... by ben_w on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @03:28PM (#36217908)

"Animal products" yes (with the caveat we're getting good at genetic engineering and also vat-growing meat cells); "flesh" no; "poke their eyes out and boil them alive" absolutely not.

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Re:Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentien... by AndyKluger on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @03:26PM (#36217867)

Which nutrients that we need to eat are only found in animal products?

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Re:Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentien... by moffkalast on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @03:34PM (#36217995)

Whichever nutrient is required for smug satisfaction of beating nature at its own game and being so far beyond the food chain that it might as well not be a thing.

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Re:Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentien... by hkt on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @03:17PM (#36217735)

This is kind of an old discussion. I'm perfectly happy eating meat but equally recognise that vegan diets are perfectly feasible for almost everyone. If not vegan, then vegetarian (preferably with a premium on animal products to reflect their impact etc).

A nice example of this is omega 3 and similar: it is actually synthesised in kelp and works its way through the food chain to us with fish as an intermediary. It doesn't have to be that way, it just is right now. B vitamins are a similar story.

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Re:Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentien... by WorkLobster on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @03:47PM (#36218161)

Can you elaborate on how I and a good number of the people I know cannot remain healthy? I have to say, I feel pretty fine.

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