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Re:OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux by GeekyBear on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @10:54AM (#36213764)
You don't create a new bootloader that allows users the freedom to run an unsigned third party OS without having it degrade the system's security if and when they boot the native OS because you are "hostile to developers and hackers".
Re:OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux by fsflover on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @02:35PM (#36217189)
My laptop can use TPM and a hardware key with my keys and free software. Where is the degraded security?
Re:OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux by hedora on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @02:57PM (#36217460)
I could trick you into adding a hardware key, then install a tampered version of Windows with it.

(Also, the last time I looked, TPM keys could be grabbed with ~ $100 of hardware, but I think that's fixed by some newer standard.)

But, yeah, it's not a big tradeoff in practice. I think their point was that Apple had to expend effort to enable the use case, which isn't "hostile" toward the use case.

Re:OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux by GeekyBear on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @03:24PM (#36217844)
> I could trick you into adding a hardware key, then install a tampered version of Windows with it.

There are other issues as well.

For instance, on a PC the security settings are applied per machine and not per partition, so you can't mix an unsigned OS on one partition with full security on another partition.

Also:

> On Wednesday, researchers at security firm ESET presented a deep-dive analysis of the world’s first in-the-wild UEFI bootkit that bypasses Secure Boot on fully updated UEFI systems running fully updated versions of Windows 10 and 11.

Despite Microsoft releasing new patched software, the vulnerable signed binaries have yet to be added to the UEFI revocation list that flags boot files that should no longer be trusted.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/03/unkil...

Re:OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux by hedora on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @11:51AM (#36228459)
> For instance, on a PC the security settings are applied per machine and not per partition, so you can't mix an unsigned OS on one partition with full security on another partition.

This wasn't true for a low-end Acer I bought a while ago, and it's not true on an Asus motherboard I use. You can add keys to the bios, and then it'll let you run with either key. That lets you use the grub shim key. On the Acer, you can even tell it to screw PKI, and just check that the hash of the bootloader hasn't changed.

Re:OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux by rodgerd on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @06:10PM (#36219735)
You seem unfamiliar with the Alder Lake compromise.
Re:OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux by fsflover on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @10:56AM (#36227581)
Indeed. Care to give a link? Quick DuckDuckGo search returned nothing.
Re:OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux by rodgerd on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @05:31PM (#36233838)
Sure: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/05/leak-...

The gaggle of moving parts that are involved in the PC world make security and privacy substantially more challenging because of nonsense like this - a vendor with rubbish security (not even an HSM for critical signing keys!) compromising the broader world.

Re:OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux by fsflover on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @05:51PM (#36234111)
Thanks. It seems this confirms that my own keys are more secure, because with them such problem couldn't occur.