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Re:WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveil... by hmmSceptical on Sunday June 04, 2023 @03:44PM (#36188853)
> In the case of programming...

A percentage > 90% of the world isn't programmers...

There simply isn't the same workflow to monitor "word" / "pdf" documents without an insane amount of effort / document control that most SMB's dont have.

The only option available to them, without hiring programmers, is often only the metrics that get offered built into these types of products.

I dont think that's a strawman argument.

Re:WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveil... by BlargMcLarg on Sunday June 04, 2023 @03:56PM (#36188978)
Pretty sure the burden is on you to prove it is not just a method, but also the only method.

Most trivial things can be measured outside time. Many jobs measured on time, we already know why they are measured on time (low activity, presence-based jobs). Anything else, measuring based on behavior/time spent is management being lazy and not doing what they should be doing: comparing inputs and outputs, and measuring the impact of changes to them to improve productivity.

If a manager can't do something that basic, they shouldn't be looking for more bad proxies to hound people with. They should be doing the company a favor and quit.

Re:WFH – Watched from Home: Office 365 and workplace surveil... by qwytw on Sunday June 04, 2023 @04:43PM (#36189396)
They could still monitor actual output? Instead of the number of words in a word document (I mean software companies which rank their employees according to the number of closed tickets aren't the best places to be at either...)