In the face of someone who doesn't support your view of some 'radical group' - you're going to assume that they must also be part of this magic group of bad people?

Do you realize that's the midsest of bigotry?

"America is going fascist, people who don't with me agree are facists!"

That's your 'nuanced', modern take?

"There is no "nuance" in that mindset."

Yes - there is no nuanced in your own apparent mindset.

Are you reading your own words?

Have you considered that maybe your cartoonish characterization of those 'magic boogeymen' is wrong - and completely lacking in naunce?

Use some logic here:

'Proud Boys are racist more like Hell's Angels than the KKK - and - they are idiots who don't have any power'

Does that statement truly feel red-pill to you?

Or maybe that's a bit of a 'nuanced' take?

'Trump is a life-long Democrat who supports gay marriage, abortion, has not been in a Church in 20 years and could not recite the Lord's Prayer - but who will happily accept the votes of anyone that will give them to him - is an Authoriarian Pig (and a serious risk) - but is obviously not a 'White Christian Nationalist'.'

Again - that sounds like 'Apple Pie America' rhetoric' to you?

Or is that actuaally a more nuance take?

'Abortion and 'definition of woman', are complicated nuanced issues, and that Americans have a diversity of views on those subjets that we have to respect and contend with, and those who disagree with progressives are not necessairly radicals'.

That's the statement of an racist old fart from the South?

Or maybe a more civic take?

Pointing out existentially damaging corruption and embezzelment within a social rights movement (BLM), which for some reason the media wants to mostly ignore - but that Americans are smart enough to handle the complexity of that situation ....

... is somehow 'stuck in 1950's worldview'?

My friend - those are not the staments of an 'American Christian Nationalist Red Pill' person - far from that.

Obviously.

So why would you even think that?

There's a hint here:

"No art, no literature, no music, no theatre!"

You believe there's a big right wing movement that's going to take over America that that is somehow against 'art and literature' ???

You saw 'Footloose' in 1984 and developed your entire 'antifacist' worldview around that, have not changed it since, and pigeonhole everyone into it ???

Paridoxically, these are comical and narrow antifacist views from the 1950s - which I am afraid to tell you are bigoted.

So to get you 80 years up to date: almost all Americans don't like racism, they would all want better schools if it meant an an reduction in crime and increased civility and prosperity, Americans are open and gregarous and accepting people - but - many (maybe even most) are not going to agree with some of the more assertive progressive ideals. Now you can rest well not worrying about a 'Nazi Takoever'.

Your horseshoe theory is not a nuanced theory. The position that bigotry runs on all sides is not a nuanced position to take. On the contrary, it states an absolute and generalizes over non-generic things. What you call left-wing bigotry is only bigotry in your mind, as you want to draw a false equivalence. Furthermore you seem to fail to realize the paradox of tolerance—that you cannot tolerate intolerance while maintaining tolerance of everything else (do you realize the nuance yet?)

Lets start with a true statement of yours:

> Almost all Americans don't like racism.

This is a true fact. However it says nothing about systemic racism, or racist cops, or racist politicians. Me being a left-wing bigot would state that the latter is bad and should be abolished, and might make a statement like: “Anyone working against the abolition of systemic racism is part of the problem.” You will probably say this is a bigoted statement, and deserves the same scrutiny and moderation as those who claim we should further systemic racism, and state something like “Cops are justified in policing black majority neighborhoods harder than other neighborhoods”.

This falls into the paradox of tolerance. See if you disallow both our speeches, as they are equally bigoted, you are favoring the status quo, and if systemic racism does indeed exist, you are tolerating it’s continued existence. This is where your horseshoe theory fails. Reality is much more like a fishhook theory. Where the centrist take will always be closer to the far right.

I’ve been playing into your rhetoric, but just so you know, you cannot call anti-fascism bigoted without finding your self in a paradox. A slave owner that hates their slaves is an abuse, a slave that hates their master is liberation.

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Would you please stop posting ideological flamewar comments to HN? You've done it repeatedly in this thread. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

We've had to ask you this before, so if you'd please fix this, we'd be grateful.

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I would gladly delete most of my comments on this thread. HN is a fine site and the way you run it is instrumental to keeping it that way. Still, you might give some thought to the healthiness of showcasing what are objectively fringe ideologies that would in other places be rightly be called out as, at least, adjacent to outright bigotry. There's another site that's dying because they think that stuff is good.