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Re:California Spent $17B on Homelessness. It’s Not Working by HDThoreaun on Friday June 02, 2023 @07:04PM (#36171953)
Prison is a concept that has existed since the dawn of society. Maybe you disagree with criminalizing homelessness, that's certainly understandable and perhaps a bit illiberal, but it's certainly not unprecedented. And anyway, what I'm calling for is mandatory community service for the homeless, and then imprisonment/commitment/send them to kansas when they refuse to do it, not just criminalizing homelessness.

But if your question is if I believe in absolute freedoms, I absolutely do not. You are not free to harass people on the street. Not free to monopolize public parks. Certainly not free to be violent.

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Re:California Spent $17B on Homelessness. It’s Not Working by hotpotamus on Friday June 02, 2023 @07:16PM (#36172055)
Seems like a bit of a burn on Kansas; some people live there voluntarily.

I wonder who it is you imagine will administer this involuntary servitude program? Does it particularly matter if the work is done to some standard or other? Do you imagine the state of California is competent to manage this system?

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Re:California Spent $17B on Homelessness. It’s Not Working by HDThoreaun on Sunday June 04, 2023 @10:29AM (#36185865)
The state already runs community service programs. They can be expanded to handle the people living in the housing we built.

I'm not sure how giving someone a home and money for essentials is involuntary servitude. If these people don't want to do the service they can get a different job. I just realize that a lot of the homeless have what it takes to be successful, they just need structure and a little help.

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Re:California Spent $17B on Homelessness. It’s Not Working by hotpotamus on Sunday June 04, 2023 @10:36AM (#36185910)
I suppose I missed your option 3 which basically seems to be our current status quo. But government run make-work programs just seem like a non-starter in the modern US.
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Re:California Spent $17B on Homelessness. It’s Not Working by chasd00 on Friday June 02, 2023 @08:16PM (#36172429)
Homeless in the Midwest freeze to death in winter. Sending them to Kansas is sending them to the electric chair.
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Re:California Spent $17B on Homelessness. It’s Not Working by HDThoreaun on Friday June 02, 2023 @08:31PM (#36172534)
To live in the cheap apartments we built
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Re:California Spent $17B on Homelessness. It’s Not Working by Clubber on Friday June 02, 2023 @09:19PM (#36172767)
Our constitution requires due process before you can force anyone to do anything. You also can't ban people from public land, because it is public. Imagine if the government created a massive park and only allowed rich people to use it. That's technically the same thing, except you are the rich people (relatively).

It's tricky.

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