would you be willing to take on any interns? Located in NYC and on my last year at NYU.

150k...for a staff engineer... in NYC?

This might be filtering for trust fund kids? /s

More like FIRE folks who got bored.

Nonprofit salaries are generally not as high as other sectors. There are still good reasons why lots of people would want to work for a nonprofit, particularly one as prestigious as MoMA. And that is more than livable, even in NYC.

> And that is more than livable, even in NYC.

No, it's not.

Median NYC household income in 2021 was 70,663. Pretty sure double the median income is a livable wage.

The median household income in NYC is $70,663. We're talking about Manhattan mainly for this job, so let's double that. That's still less than the 150k salary, and this is a single person, not a household.

I promise you, you're not going to be homeless at 150k.

Why should you be homeless in NYC if you are a senior level professional?

Does the median houseold know and understand how to use the technologies listed, and do they have the necessary experience and competence to "implement" MoMA's "3-5 year strategic plan"?

What does the median household have to do with anything?

There is an objective measure of value provided and compensation received, for a professional of the required standing. MoMA is not a humanitarian charity who is doing good works for the "median household" (btw) rather an elite institution run by elites for "prestige" of the same elite. Not the "median household".

So given that the actual beneficiaries of MoMA (and its institutional social standing) are in fact not median households, I think you need to provide the "income" for that set, which I would think has many more digits than 70k.

What? OP was replying to an assertion that 150k is not “liveable” in NYC. Of course the median household income in the city is relevant to that.

That all depends on what you mean by livable, no?

Your mileage may vary, but as a professional of that standing, having invested substantial time and intellectual energy to master my profession, my social requirements, for my spouse, my children, my friends, where we go, what we do, are not going to be satisfactorily met by such an income level in New York City. This doesn't even have anything to do with personal preferences in such matters, but ultimately how one lives and provides for loved ones and the natural company one keeps.

Developers are not children. We are professionals and our profession is in fact one of the more highly demanding cognitive professions.

I don't think many people will claim 150k is market price for a staff engineering position in NYC. But it is more than enough to live in Manhattan. Full stop.

If MoMA or another non-profit offers you a salary than fails to support your lavish lifestyle: don't accept it. Hope that helps.

I'm confused what you're even replying to

THIS is what we're discussing:

>> And that is more than livable, even in NYC.

> No, it's not.

(Aside here: you made a new account to argue against straw man arguments?)

That’s so detached from reality it’s funny

> a prospective employer first makes you "consent" to a legal agreement before even getting to employment application

What kind of legal agreement are they asking you to sign off before the job application?

Sounds like CloudKitchens. Cloud Kitchens engineering managers cold emailed and then told you to sign an invention assignment agreement just to do the first call with the engineering manager.

Very low for a staff engineer in NYC, but 150K to work in the arts actually seems somewhat competitive to me. Wait until you hear how little most broadway actors/ensemble members make. 150K will take you pretty far if you want to live the bohemian artist life in NY, especially if you want to live in neighborhoods with other artists, e.g. Washington Heights.

I'm just wondering but isn't 150k almost nothing in NYC? Does anyone know what the cost of living is, for instance, for a 3 bedroom apt, etc.

150k is perfectly liveable in NYC, even in Manhattan heart. It’s probably not feasible to have a three bedroom apt in Manhattan on that budget but it’s very doable in the less hot parts of Queens, Brooklyn and Bronx. If you think of moving to Long Island, you can even rent a house with a yard.

You will probably need a partners income if you want to live in a unit where you can raise a child, and will need significantly more for the both of you to raise multiple children.

I'm in the center of NYC so I'll answer this question. Currently, it's about $2,800 for a studio and $3,500 for a one bedroom. If you're single I'd say you need around 120k to live somewhat okay. That's 6.6k a month after taxes so minus about 3k it's 3.6k a month for bills, food, and however else you want to budget the rest. Depends on your lifestyle of course.

If you want a three bedroom then you'd want to live outside of NYC and commute about an hour by train. It'll be around 3k-4k then.

Yeah...what about retirement accounts? If you're not putting money away into retirement, you're either bad at managing money or just scraping by.

Not necessarily. My retirement plan is to kill myself in a one of the larger city parks at night. Call 911 first to give them a rough location so that can recover my body but not be able to arrive soon enough to save me.

Little reason to have a retirement account if your retirement is that brief.

3 bedroom apt in NYC? There's not a lot of those and that's going to be insanely expensive, like $5k+/month for sure.

I lived in NYC for almost a decade and I don't remember anyone having a 3 bedroom.

I lived in 1 bedroom in Astoria (Queens) for $1.5k-$2k

Lots of tech jobs pay 150k or less in NYC. I'd think its probably just below median.