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Re:Japan Goes All In: Copyright Doesn’t Apply to AI Training by zulban on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @09:34PM (#36146687)
Pretty good argument but it has one fatal flaw. People can memorize the Declaration of Independence too. Or Harry Potter. If people mostly recite HP from memory but apply enough creative changes, it's not copyright infringement.

So proving a system can memorize and recite proves nothing.

Re:Japan Goes All In: Copyright Doesn’t Apply to AI Training by elemos on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @09:41PM (#36146727)
How does this make sense? Memorizing and then reciting copyrighted works is still infringement in a lot of commercial contexts.
Re:Japan Goes All In: Copyright Doesn’t Apply to AI Training by MattRix on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @10:12PM (#36146865)
The reciting part is illegal, but as long as it is trained not to recite things in full (or to whatever limit the law determines), then it should be fine.
Re:Japan Goes All In: Copyright Doesn’t Apply to AI Training by onlyrealcuzzo on Thursday June 01, 2023 @12:21AM (#36147537)
Try publishing Harry Potter but changing all the proper nouns and use synonyms for all the adjectives.

It's gonna be copyright infringement.

You can even cut a few scenes and make up a few scenes entirely, too. You're still getting busted.

Re:Japan Goes All In: Copyright Doesn’t Apply to AI Training by MattRix on Friday June 02, 2023 @02:25AM (#36161740)
Yes, that’s why I am saying they will have to ensure the LLM doesn’t do that.
Re:Japan Goes All In: Copyright Doesn’t Apply to AI Training by riku_iki on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @09:45PM (#36146747)
reciting is violation of copyright

creatively transform and apply for some tasks maybe not violation

Re:Japan Goes All In: Copyright Doesn’t Apply to AI Training by Riverheart on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @09:44PM (#36146741)
These aren’t people. Just because we can find commonalities in learning and memorization does not mean we can ignore everything else that differs.
Re:Japan Goes All In: Copyright Doesn’t Apply to AI Training by kmod on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @10:01PM (#36146792)
"copying" != "copyright infringement": I'm just saying that the LLMs are copying, and I'm not getting into the legal/societal question of whether we want that to be illegal or not.

We as a society have determined that certain sorts of non-consensual copying are allowed: "fair use" broadly, and maybe you can consider "mental copying" in this category. Maybe we'll add LLM training to the list? It's not like copyright rules are a law of nature: we created them to try to produce the society that we want, and this is an ongoing process.

Again, I think there are fascinating questions 1) does LLM training violate existing copyright law + case law or does it maybe fall under a fair use exemption, and 2) is that what we want. But I think "do LLMs make copies" is dull and trivial and I don't know why it comes up.

Re:Japan Goes All In: Copyright Doesn’t Apply to AI Training by barbariangrunge on Thursday June 01, 2023 @12:04AM (#36147452)
The ai isn’t a person. Jesus. It’s not the same