Re:Federal Judge Makes History: Border Searches of Cell Phon...
by dylan604 on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @05:46PM
(#36131366)
i act as a bit of a paranoid nutter and actually shut off my laptop when flying international. it's pretty much the only time i do that. the question is not answered to my satisfaction, so that's the choice i make in response.
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Re:Federal Judge Makes History: Border Searches of Cell Phon...
by bonestamp2 on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @06:18PM
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What does shutting it off do? As far as I understand, they can still require a search. I had it happen once when entering Canada, they said if I didn't consent to the search they would confiscate my laptop. I let them search it, and obviously they didn't find anything incriminating, but it felt so violating watching them go through all my personal photos.
Re:Federal Judge Makes History: Border Searches of Cell Phon...
by dylan604 on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @06:45PM
(#36132134)
full disk encryption keys are not in memory yet
Re:Federal Judge Makes History: Border Searches of Cell Phon...
by notfed on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @06:58PM
(#36132274)
Does this mean they asked you to unlock it / decrypt it?
Re:Federal Judge Makes History: Border Searches of Cell Phon...
by bonestamp2 on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @01:30PM
(#36141085)
Yes. If I did not comply they would take the laptop and I would have to get a lawyer to try to get it back.
Re:Federal Judge Makes History: Border Searches of Cell Phon...
by AHOHA on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @08:32PM
(#36133073)
Be thankful they did not take a copy of your hdd for forensics later.
Re:Federal Judge Makes History: Border Searches of Cell Phon...
by dylan604 on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @10:35PM
(#36133834)
Maybe they did. Maybe the "search" is just covering the time it takes to run their cloning program. Let that fester ;-)
Re:Federal Judge Makes History: Border Searches of Cell Phon...
by bonestamp2 on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @01:47PM
(#36141271)
No. They did it in front of me and all they did was run a search for JPG and PNG images. Then they went through all of the pictures. They did not attach any hardware/cables to the computer and they did not connect it to a network.
That said, this was years ago. I have heard that they do try to clone the drive now.
Re:Federal Judge Makes History: Border Searches of Cell Phon...
by Zetice on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @06:22PM
(#36131813)
In enhanced security checks in the EU, they often make you turn on your electronic devices.
Re:Federal Judge Makes History: Border Searches of Cell Phon...
by dylan604 on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @06:24PM
(#36131835)
can they force you to log in?
Re:Federal Judge Makes History: Border Searches of Cell Phon...
by Zetice on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @06:30PM
(#36131925)
When this has happened to me, it's been about ensuring the device can turn on at all, they don't investigate what's on it.
Re:Federal Judge Makes History: Border Searches of Cell Phon...
by dylan604 on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @06:45PM
(#36132132)
with this concept of testing for actual electronic equipment vs nefarious object disguised as an electronic device my protections of shutdown still hold
Re:Federal Judge Makes History: Border Searches of Cell Phon...
by Zetice on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @06:52PM
(#36132201)
Sure, but it's overkill. You'll have to turn it on anyway if you're selected.
Re:Federal Judge Makes History: Border Searches of Cell Phon...
by dylan604 on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @08:21PM
(#36132994)
Turning it on without logging in does not decrypt the FDE volume though. I'm only turning it off to ensure the decryption keys are not in memory. There's nothing on my laptop that would land me in trouble, but they're going to need a $5 wrench to get access. The day that happens, we'll know if it will need to be used, or if the mere presence of the wrench is enough
Re:Federal Judge Makes History: Border Searches of Cell Phon...
by PrimeMcFly on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @01:14AM
(#36134706)
My approach is to replace the SecureBoot keys with one of my own signing, and sign my own bootloader. Have it boot into Windows unless a specific key combo is pressed, otherwise have it boot into Linux and require a password to decrypt the drive.
Plausible deniability and FDE (for the partition you care about at least).
Re:Federal Judge Makes History: Border Searches of Cell Phon...
by throwaway742 on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @09:22PM
(#36133395)
Yes and if you refuse they confiscate the device.
Re:Federal Judge Makes History: Border Searches of Cell Phon...
by PrimeMcFly on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @01:12AM
(#36134695)
Only time I was ever asked to login was in Morocco. It was an older agent and I assume he just wanted to make sure it wasn't a fake screen or something.
I didn't like it though.