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Re:JMAP – a much needed modern email open standard by __MatrixMan__ on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @03:23PM (#36129325)
Your vision is further than fastmail can currently take you, but a partial solution which I use is to just give out a unique email address to each company. that way when you get spam you can disable that address for future use and also use it as a conversation starter with whoever leaked your data to a spammer.

The format I use is {yourname}@{myname}.{mydomain}, so there's a unique address for every pair--some of which I've disabled delivery for.

Re:JMAP – a much needed modern email open standard by gcanyon on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @03:28PM (#36129404)
Do you have the system automated? Meaning: if I send email right now to {somerandomstring}@{yourname}.{yourdomain} does it get automatically rejected, or flagged? And if yes, how do you add {myname} to your whitelist?
Re:JMAP – a much needed modern email open standard by freedomben on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @03:34PM (#36129480)
I'm not GP but use a similar system. I just set up a global forwarding rule for the domain using forwardemail.net. The default is to let it through. If I get a spam message I'll check the "to" field in gmail and can quickly see who it was that sold it or leaked it. Can also create a rule in gmail to send to trash or can even add a forwarding rule for that inbox if needed in forwardemail
Re:JMAP – a much needed modern email open standard by vidarh on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @03:33PM (#36129473)
Both Gmail and Fastmail supports "+something" in the local part of your email address, so you can just add a foo+*@domain filter to block everything or move it to a folder, and then add a foo+someapprovedsender@domain filter before it for anyone you want to reach your inbox.
Re:JMAP – a much needed modern email open standard by davchana on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @03:43PM (#36129611)
Almost every provider (social media, banks, websites and spammers) also know this, and routinely remove anything after + in @gmail addresses.

Indian Retirement Fund website, NPS, government operated, will take your [email protected] at signup, no errors, but will not let you login saying, Email Not Found. You have to login with [email protected] to get in your account.

Re:JMAP – a much needed modern email open standard by vidarh on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @04:00PM (#36129878)
All the places I've given addresses like that dutifully e-mails to the right place, so I guess I must've gotten lucky. But if you use your own domain with Fastmail (which I'd recommend anyway, so you have an easy way of moving elsewhere if you need to - how I was able to migrate to Fastmail from Google relatively painlessly in the first place) you can also set up catchall addresses so you can use the whole local-part instead:

https://www.fastmail.help/hc/en-us/articles/1500000277942-Ca...

Re:JMAP – a much needed modern email open standard by lilyball on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @08:05PM (#36132888)
Fastmail supports both [email protected] and [email protected]. I use the latter precisely to avoid the problem of sites that don't play well with plus addresses.
Re:JMAP – a much needed modern email open standard by mstngl on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @04:11PM (#36130018)
For my hosted E-Mail I've configured one inbox as "catch all unknown". This allows me to "generate" e-mail addresses on the fly without any configuration (at least receiving). Once one of the addresses / aliases was burnt for some reason I could make a separate postbox of it with all blocking rules and dead end for spam. This is a quite comfortable way for me, although the emails are not flagged in any way. They will come through in any case and I postponed the the work to any malicious event.
Re:JMAP – a much needed modern email open standard by ilyt on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @05:39PM (#36131260)
I (with self hosted config) went a step further and made mail+<tagname>@domain.com ones go into a tag/<tagname> subdirectory
Re:JMAP – a much needed modern email open standard by __MatrixMan__ on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @06:10PM (#36131658)
I have fastmail configured to accept *@{my name}.{my domain} and then I have a rule for each blocked sender. So it's it opposite of the logic that you want: I'll receive they mail until I explicitly block you.

This is still not implicit block like you're after, but when I looked through the settings to see how I had it configured I discovered this integration with 1password: https://1password.com/fastmail/

which, now that I know about, I may start using.

Re:JMAP – a much needed modern email open standard by gcanyon on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @07:01PM (#36132310)
At least from the promo video that seems very much like Apple's "supply a unique email" feature. Which is better than nothing, but waaaaay less feature-ful and much more manual than my ideal setup.
Re:JMAP – a much needed modern email open standard by actionfromafar on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @06:21PM (#36131805)
Ideally it would be {keysigned_string}@{yourname}.{yourdomain}
Re:JMAP – a much needed modern email open standard by kevincox on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @07:16AM (#36136959)
This is basically what I do. {tag}-{signature}@{domain}.

The upside is that it is easy to generate new addresses, I don't need to talk to my mailserver. The small number of addresses that need to be revoked are manually added to a backlist.

Re:JMAP – a much needed modern email open standard by masukomi on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @04:04PM (#36129929)
are you aware that comments are a thing in email addresses ?

john.smith(comment)@example.com

there are also tags

[email protected]

neither of these require any DNS or server muckery and _should_ be supported by major mail hosts.

Of course, who knows how many random half-assed email validation things people have in their forms that'll prevent you from entering them.

Re:JMAP – a much needed modern email open standard by not2b on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @04:13PM (#36130050)
Yes, but many email marketers know this trick and they just strip out the comment or tag, or else make you give them an address that doesn't have it.
Re:JMAP – a much needed modern email open standard by foresto on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @05:12PM (#36130875)
Even worse: Some of them happily accept such addresses, but some time later, silently drop messages to you while claiming that they were sent.
Re:JMAP – a much needed modern email open standard by afiori on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @01:22AM (#36134741)
The obvious solution would be to use [email protected] and treat [email protected] as a semi-spam folder
Re:JMAP – a much needed modern email open standard by kevincox on Wednesday May 31, 2023 @07:14AM (#36136930)
Yup, since I'm using my own domain domain I use kevincox@ for public sharing and generated emails for sharing with companies. Therefore there is no obvious path from the email I give them (which bypasses the spam filter and can be revoked) to my general email address. Although it is easy to find my general address online it is fairly heavily spam-filtered. And unknown address is subject to an very harsh filter if it wants to end up in my inbox.

So basically there are three tiers:

- Single relationship emails. Guaranteed delivery until revoked.

- General inbox.

- Unknown to addresses, unlikely to hit the inbox.

(The address are actually signed and blacklisted rather than generated+revoked but that is just an implementation detail)

Re:JMAP – a much needed modern email open standard by kaetemi on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @04:11PM (#36130023)
And spammers will happily remove those bits from the address.
Re:JMAP – a much needed modern email open standard by lilyball on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @08:06PM (#36132890)
Comments aren't semantically meaningful, anyone can strip them out without changing the meaning of the email address.