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Re:Paper Money Diehards Refuse to Fold by lazide on Monday May 29, 2023 @05:32PM (#36118351)
Until it’s politically uncool to be you, and the gov’t bans your ability to buy food. The Nazi’s got elected in their first time, democratically (ish).
Re:Paper Money Diehards Refuse to Fold by rsaesha on Monday May 29, 2023 @05:44PM (#36118471)
Brother fckn nazis taking the government is a much bigger systemic problem that no financial system can protect against.

The system works if democracy works. If we lose democracy, of course, the blocks built on top of it would crumble. That does not means everyone should stop building on top of democracy. Even more so for things that makes the life of the people better.

Re:Paper Money Diehards Refuse to Fold by lazide on Monday May 29, 2023 @05:51PM (#36118532)
No, making it so you can’t buy anything without the gov’ts permission makes it not only more tempting for someone like Nazi’s to take over, but also much more effective for them to keep it and far more damaging when they’re in. Germany is a strongly ‘cash’ society partially because of this, but also because of what the Stasi did to East Germany.

You really don’t want the folks in power to have even more of that kind of power, no matter how convenient it is most of the time.

At least Visa/MasterCard, etc. mainly just care about making money. The gov’t doesn’t even have to care about that!

Using ‘we’re currently in a democracy’ to justify creating an even more tempting and likely to be abused tool of oppression is not a good idea.

Re:Paper Money Diehards Refuse to Fold by rsaesha on Monday May 29, 2023 @06:19PM (#36118772)
A central payment system is absolutely not a tool of oppression. Case in point: don't like it? Don't use it. People are still free to not use it just like it even didn't exist. For everyone that chooses to, there is now an instant and free payment method. Where is the oppression?

In your hypothetical scenario of nazis taking the gov, lets assume there is no central database. Nazis would go: ok banks give me your databases or else. Banks gives databases because they care about money. There, now nazi have central database. And in this scenario you have deprived the people of enjoy a really nice service.

Where is the win here I don't see it. Let's not do good thing because, oh, in a doomsday scenario good thing might be bad. Like, shouldn't we channel efforts in ensuring doomsday never comes to reality in the first place? This way we all enjoy good life with ever improving services.

Re:Paper Money Diehards Refuse to Fold by lazide on Monday May 29, 2023 @06:25PM (#36118819)
This is getting even more fantastical by the moment.

I’m also pointing out not-that distant past events, and you’re also just completely ignoring them.

Good luck! Just don’t do it in my economy.

Re:Paper Money Diehards Refuse to Fold by throwuwu on Monday May 29, 2023 @09:05PM (#36120048)
Look into the efforts of individuals within Nazi controlled territory during the war to save Jews and other persecuted people. When the SS comes knocking, if you’re a good person, you have a chance of “losing” some records before you hand them over. If it’s all in one government controlled database then there is no chance for individuals to work against the system. Hey, I think they even made some movies and books about this stuff.
Re:Paper Money Diehards Refuse to Fold by sokoloff on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @07:14AM (#36123478)
That central electronic payment system is a problem if it causes the government to stop issuing and securing paper currency.
Re:Paper Money Diehards Refuse to Fold by elzbardico on Monday May 29, 2023 @05:51PM (#36118537)
If the nazis take power, and you happen to be one of their targets, having cash won't help much when your photo is being displayed everywhere with wording saying there's a bounty on your head as a dangerous terrorist.
Re:Paper Money Diehards Refuse to Fold by lazide on Monday May 29, 2023 @05:54PM (#36118559)
But guess what makes it easier to identify and target individuals? Being able to do something like SELECT * FROM transactions WHERE recipient like ‘synagogue’
Re:Paper Money Diehards Refuse to Fold by rsaesha on Monday May 29, 2023 @05:56PM (#36118589)
What's stopping someone to doing exactly that in the current system?
Re:Paper Money Diehards Refuse to Fold by lazide on Monday May 29, 2023 @05:59PM (#36118617)
There is no such central database, for one.

All the transactions are controlled by multiple independent parties, whose interests do not align to do that as they’d lose their customers to their competitors when it came out what was happening.

Some of the data does go through central clearing at some step (ACH, Fedwire), but credit card charges, Zelle, cash, checks deposited at the same bank, etc. do not.

Re:Paper Money Diehards Refuse to Fold by ryandrake on Monday May 29, 2023 @07:06PM (#36119160)
Since we are talking about nazis, it doesn’t really matter what is in the interest of independent banks and CC companies. The nazis will simply send the storm troopers to them and get the lists of people donating to synagogues, easy peasy.

With cash, you stay out of those databases in the first place.

Re:Paper Money Diehards Refuse to Fold by lazide on Monday May 29, 2023 @07:44PM (#36119455)
Which takes time, so records can be disappeared. And since they don’t control the format of the records (yet) or what’s in the records (yet), they are also a ton of work to use.

Definitely not impossible, but much harder than if there was a single centralized system - dramatically harder.

Cash is king though, as you say.