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Re:A 'natural death' may be preferable for many than endurin... by Eji1700 on Monday May 29, 2023 @04:10PM (#36117555)
I swear this comes up every 2-5 years. It's insanely violent, doesn't work as well on the elderly (like literally everything else), and is still better than nothing. Things like this almost feel like fear bait. It's intuitive that a procedure performed on someone who's dying is ALWAYS going to be less effective on the elderly. So long as it's not killing more people than it helps (extremely unlikely given the whole "you're not breathing/your heart has stopped" qualifier) it's still an important thing to know.
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Re:A 'natural death' may be preferable for many than endurin... by michael1999 on Monday May 29, 2023 @04:20PM (#36117645)
Quality of life is not a boolean variable. "CPR-induced consciousness" sounds like a truly terrible way to go, and likely to cause real suffering in the practitioner/torturer.
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Re:A 'natural death' may be preferable for many than endurin... by henry2023 on Monday May 29, 2023 @04:55PM (#36118026)
About 93% of the time it's worst than nothing.
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Re:A 'natural death' may be preferable for many than endurin... by dghlsakjg on Monday May 29, 2023 @06:03PM (#36118647)
The doing nothing treatment leads to death 100% of the time since you don't do CPR on people with a beating heart.
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Re:A 'natural death' may be preferable for many than endurin... by pessimizer on Monday May 29, 2023 @06:10PM (#36118709)
Slightly worse than nothing; saves a tiny bit of exercise for someone. 7% of the time it saves a life.
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Re:A 'natural death' may be preferable for many than endurin... by mjevans on Monday May 29, 2023 @06:30PM (#36118863)
For bystanders, the raw numbers from the article reflect a 7.6% survival rate became a 10% survival rate. An absolute improvement in about 24 out of 1000 cases, though for those that do 'survive' maybe a 33% increase?

Though those numbers strongly hint at over simplified variables. Is there other medical help available? (E.G. an AED, maybe combined with CPR?) Is EMS close? Are they near a medivac capable landing site and a level 1 trauma center? How does this change across patient demographics?

For my own health, this goes back to end of life management questions, can I recover or even improve to a degree if a procedure is done? As someone with hopefully decades and maybe even a chance at upload or archival if I live long enough CPR probably is worth it for the cases where survival is improved; but only if all the other options are exhausted first.

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Re:A 'natural death' may be preferable for many than endurin... by SapporoChris on Monday May 29, 2023 @07:49PM (#36119504)
My nephew performed CPR on my mother (his grandmother). It wasn't successful, he gets to live with the psychological consequences. I imagine not acting would have worse psychological consequences, but only because society has built up unrealistic expectations regarding CPR.
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