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Re:Filial Piety (孝) in Chinese Culture (2016) by badrabbit on Monday May 29, 2023 @03:35PM (#36117187)
You know this concept is in indian, korean and japanese cultures as well. A friend insists it is an asian culutural thing but I hard disagree, but I do understand I need to learn more.

Outside of Europe, just about every society in the "old" world has this concept. You basically live for your parents and then also for your children. Parents use the pride and disappointment as ways to control the future of their child and children strive to become the perfect child.

I'll give you an example: what immigrant ethnicities dominate medicine in the US? Indian, Nigerian, east asian. And the people I have spoken to largley attribute their parent's desire as the main/initial motivator for choosing such a difficult field.

I'll say this, ancestor worship is only in some societies that are mostly asian (to my knowledge), that includes concepts like the way you live honors or displeases your ancestors who can bless or curse you in real time.

It isn't jusr filial piety but piety towards elders. When I started watching east asian dramas many years ago, I kept thinking how their dramas reminded me of so many other cultures outside of asia.

My theory is that even europe used to be this way pre-renaisance. Any society that had arranged marriages meant parents did the arranging to the most part. It is difficult for me to imagine allowing your parent to decide who you will be stuck with for the rest of your life without filial piety.

Of course, I don't mean to suggest specific countries' concept of filial piety is unique and shouldn't be studied on it's own like this. Just pointing out that there are more non-western countries outside of asia that still follow this concept than there aren't.

Re:Filial Piety (孝) in Chinese Culture (2016) by contingencies on Monday May 29, 2023 @04:39PM (#36117840)
Look at a map of China. See the bit that sticks out to the east, toward Japan and Korea? That's the Shandong peninsula. At the western (inland) end of that is Qufu, where Confucius was born. Japan and Korea were influenced by Confucianism, as was Vietnam. This is the source of the English phrase "filial piety" with regard to East Asian cultures.

India is a totally different beast.

Source: Studied ancient Chinese history with an interest in broader Asian history and ancient philosophy. Lived in the region 20+ years. Have visited all of those countries and places.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucianism

Re:Filial Piety (孝) in Chinese Culture (2016) by dheera on Monday May 29, 2023 @04:41PM (#36117870)
"The western term filial piety was originally derived from studies of Western societies, based on Mediterranean cultures."

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filial_piety

Re:Filial Piety (孝) in Chinese Culture (2016) by worrycue on Monday May 29, 2023 @04:56PM (#36118036)
> In the past, having a child was a necessity for the sustainability of the country

I would argue it still is now unless you patch things with immigration (but that's just having another country do the work for you) or AGI becomes a thing.

Re:Filial Piety (孝) in Chinese Culture (2016) by contingencies on Monday May 29, 2023 @05:00PM (#36118062)
Sigh. Re-read what I wrote. You appear to be arguing with a straw man.
Re:Filial Piety (孝) in Chinese Culture (2016) by witchesindublin on Monday May 29, 2023 @05:24PM (#36118274)
As someone who actually lives in Japan for over a decade, you are wrong about the idea that the filal piety in East Asia comes from China. It is common but incorrect of many Chinese to overstate their impact on East Asia, but in reality the Chinese have had little impact on Japan and most of South East Asia (except for Vietnam) until recent immigration of Chinese in the last century.
Re:Filial Piety (孝) in Chinese Culture (2016) by zztop44 on Monday May 29, 2023 @05:46PM (#36118485)
I also live in Japan. I disagree with your take. I think the Chinese influence on Japan has been massive and enduring. I am not Chinese.

Being long term residents of Japan doesn’t make either of us experts on this matter. We’re just two people who have interpreted our experiences differently. I understand you feel strongly about this (I also often find myself jumping to correct what I consider to be misconceptions about Japan, so I kind of get it) but I think you’re overstating your opinion in this thread right now.

Re:Filial Piety (孝) in Chinese Culture (2016) by witchesindublin on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @04:19PM (#36130154)
I also studied Asian history in Asia. I am aware that a lot of Americans who study Asian history study it from an Sinocentric viewpoint, but overlook how the rest of Asia actually developed.

I strongly disagree about Chinese influence on Japan. I agree about the Chinese influence on Korea and Vietnam, but to call it the "Greece of Asia" is laughable at best.

Re:Filial Piety (孝) in Chinese Culture (2016) by rayiner on Monday May 29, 2023 @07:41PM (#36119432)
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Re:Filial Piety (孝) in Chinese Culture (2016) by Freedom2 on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @04:25AM (#36122415)
What recent reports have there been? It's arguable that report from 2015 might not be the best source. Now that proper American values are making their way into libraries, Christianity should boom, wouldn't you agree?
Re:Filial Piety (孝) in Chinese Culture (2016) by witchesindublin on Monday May 29, 2023 @05:21PM (#36118244)
That isn't actually that true for Japan and most of South East Asia. It's only the greater China region, Vietnam and Korea where Confucianism was a big thing.
Re:Filial Piety (孝) in Chinese Culture (2016) by consilient on Monday May 29, 2023 @05:28PM (#36118305)
This is not at all true: the Tokugawas heavily patronized neo-Confucianism.
Re:Filial Piety (孝) in Chinese Culture (2016) by witchesindublin on Monday May 29, 2023 @05:32PM (#36118344)
But the relative impact has been pretty low, and its relevance to Japanese cultural development is also very low. Neo-Confucianism was mostly evident in South Korean culture, less in China, and basically down to very little in Japan.
Re:Filial Piety (孝) in Chinese Culture (2016) by vctrm67 on Monday May 29, 2023 @07:16PM (#36119248)
Re:Filial Piety (孝) in Chinese Culture (2016) by filoleg on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @03:23PM (#36129334)
Don't bother much, that user just replies with "but the relative impact is low" to some of the most well-supported and obvious examples in this thread that argue presence of significant historical influence of imperial China on the region. In your case it was about confucianism, in one other, it was about kanji[0].

0. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36118362

Re:Filial Piety (孝) in Chinese Culture (2016) by witchesindublin on Tuesday May 30, 2023 @04:16PM (#36130118)
I also studied Asian history as well, but I studied it in Asia. I often come across a lot of Americans who study Asian history from a Sinocentric viewpoint which is why I write strongly on the matter.