Re:Intel mulls cutting 16 and 32-bit support, booting straig...
by meepmorp on Thursday May 25, 2023 @02:28PM
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IIRC, when you boot linux on a mainframe, you load your kernel and initrd into a virtual reader device so the machine can load it in 80-column punchcard sized chunks.
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Re:Intel mulls cutting 16 and 32-bit support, booting straig...
by projektfu on Thursday May 25, 2023 @02:39PM
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And on the PDP-10, it contains a virtual robot to toggle the virtual switches on the virtual PDP-11, to load a loader that runs the virtual tape drive to load the startup program for the PDP-10.
j/k I have no idea how linux boots on Z.
Re:Intel mulls cutting 16 and 32-bit support, booting straig...
by cbm-vic-20 on Thursday May 25, 2023 @03:10PM
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This actually isn't too far from the truth. The VAX 8800 series of minicomputers used a cut-down PDP-11 to boot it, and to act as a console.
Re:Intel mulls cutting 16 and 32-bit support, booting straig...
by rbanffy on Thursday May 25, 2023 @04:37PM
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Fun to think that it’s more or less how zVM starts stuff. It took me a while to mentally accept the concept of VM that zVM (in reality, I was playing with VM/370) has, which is not like anything non-mainframe users would be familiar with.
But you can also run Linux directly on an LPAR under the thin hypervisor (which I forgot the name) that runs zVM.
The indignity of the mainframe is that it’s booted under control of an x86 machine that itself boots up as an 8086. At least these days the service elements run Linux.
Re:Intel mulls cutting 16 and 32-bit support, booting straig...
by skissane on Thursday May 25, 2023 @05:16PM
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> But you can also run Linux directly on an LPAR under the thin hypervisor (which I forgot the name) that runs zVM.
The name is PR/SM - which, from what I’ve heard, actually started life as a modified version of VM
> The indignity of the mainframe is that it’s booted under control of an x86 machine that itself boots up as an 8086. At least these days the service elements run Linux.
Poor OS/2, no more booting mainframes for it anymore, unless they are very old ones