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Re:A Novel the CIA Spent a Fortune to Suppress by jasmer on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @07:33AM (#36056560)
The US interest is stability, and better, prosperity. That's why it generally works well when it does. It's in the US best interests to have rational governance, and then for those people to make stuff that the US can buy, and have open markets so the US can export iPhones. It's like Adam Smith diplomacy.

And so as part of that, the US has a strong interest in the last century fight against communism and the Soviets in the last century, which was frankly in almost everyone's interest as we see now in Latvia, Finland, Ukraine, Poland etc..

"when suppressing weak democracies with strong dictators" <- this is total baloney, a perennial trope of misinformation.

Allende, with the backing of the Soviets, and only a small minority of the votes (about 30%), viciously appropriated property and socialized large swaths of industry which crashed the economy - he came into a constitutional fight as the clear majority of the elected assembly - and the Supreme Court - acted against him, and he began to rule by 'decree'. He had neither popular support nor arguably constitutional basis, this is not a 'democracy' by any stretch.

It's the same story over and over again, all over the world in the last century, communist agitators try to take over, and there is blowback.

Chinese vassal state of North Korea is among the worst places on Earth, and all the former Soviet states are now freaking out due to intransigence from Russia, they're doing everything they can to prevent another Imperial incursion. All of those places (aka S. Korea, E. Europe and even Central Asia) run to the US for help. Even Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan would ally themselves with the US to defend from Russia and China if they thought they could.

Chile is now a good ally and partner of the US and most free nations, maybe the strongest in S. America.

Re:A Novel the CIA Spent a Fortune to Suppress by pjc50 on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @07:41AM (#36056629)
[citation needed] on Allende.

This is what the CIA ended up supporting: disappearances (i.e. secret mass murder) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/17/chile-families...

Re:A Novel the CIA Spent a Fortune to Suppress by jasmer on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @08:11AM (#36056910)
I don't need to 'cite' very well established history, just check Wikipedia. Pinochet was the best of two horrible options, a choice that never would have had to be me made were it not for Communist agitators - a pattern repeated all over the world in the 20th century, the repercussions of which are still ongoing today.

Venezuela, Cuba and even Afghanistan are just a few of many examples.

Re:A Novel the CIA Spent a Fortune to Suppress by WastingMyTime89 on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @08:33AM (#36057121)
Except that what you are presenting is not at all very well established history. So yes, definitely citations needed.

Not that you will be able to cite anything credible considering how bogus what you are advancing is.

Re:A Novel the CIA Spent a Fortune to Suppress by throwawayAsdFoo on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @08:57AM (#36057366)
>Pinochet was the best of two horrible options

And on a scale from 0 to Cuba, how bad was Allende exactly?

(Rhetorical question, im not interested in your answer.)

Re:A Novel the CIA Spent a Fortune to Suppress by thiagoharry on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @08:09AM (#36056898)
Allende WON the election. Whatever percentage he had, surely it was more than what Pinochet had. And he always said that his government would be a socialist one (which is what in US people would call communist). There were no lies involved.

What right US have to support mass tortures, and genocide (Indonesia) to impose an economical system that people in other countries did not want to follow? And what right do you have to advocate this?

Re:A Novel the CIA Spent a Fortune to Suppress by onos on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @08:24AM (#36057025)
Those are certainly important questions and the answer i like is probably USA shouldn’t meddle in other countries concerns. But I think it is true that at least some of the often listed examples of USA supposedly interfering in democracies are not quite black and white.
Re:A Novel the CIA Spent a Fortune to Suppress by merman on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @08:39AM (#36057182)
Are the downvotes because this post highlights the disproportionate aid given by the US?