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Re:Container Shipping Has Cratered by lynx23 on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @03:56AM (#36055252)
Lamenting the unwillingness to pay for trash is a hopeless cause. The cat bites its own tale. Most news outlets I know have deteriorated so much in quality that I would never even think about paying for any of that propaganda. Give me a good, balanced, non-pliticized and honest news site, and I might consider supporting them.
Re:Container Shipping Has Cratered by carlmr on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @04:34AM (#36055474)
But you see the chicken and egg problem here. News outlets have deteriorated because they can't make money.

If people actually paid for them they might have a chance to hire competent people and do investigative journalism.

But now they're being paid mostly by ad revenue and a handful of subscribers. So they have to publish trash to optimize for clicks.

Re:Container Shipping Has Cratered by lynx23 on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @04:46AM (#36055535)
Its even worse. In my country, the government has given a lot of money to media companies, right around covid. That magically made them all comply and report the same government propaganda. However, even non-conspiracy-theory-people have realized what is going on here. After the fact, I believe no sane person would want to give them money, because, you know "the state is already paying em, why should I?"
Re:Container Shipping Has Cratered by account42 on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @07:42AM (#36056632)
Here the government gives the media companies money all year every year. And its not even the government's money (from taxes) but my money that I am forced to pay for a contract that I never agreed to or want and can't opt out of.
Re:Container Shipping Has Cratered by carlmr on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @09:02AM (#36057407)
Are you both Germans? What is here?

>And its not even the government's money (from taxes) but my money

If you're a tax payer the government's money is your money, no?

Re:Container Shipping Has Cratered by account42 on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @09:50AM (#36058049)
> Are you both Germans? What is here?

In my case here is Germany, yes.

> If you're a tax payer the government's money is your money, no?

Indirectly, yes but the details are very different.

With taxes the government decides on how much tax you pay for various things and then the money goes into the general budget from which the government again allocates funds for various things. Allocating more money towards overpaid entertainment personalities and greedy sports organizations in this model would mean less money the government has to pay for other things so you'd hope they would put some thought in what expenditures are really needed. The budget is also periodically re-evaluated. Taxes are also generally either based on something you choose to do or based on income, meaning they are means tested and usually increase progressively in order to put less of a burden on those that already have less. Taxes are also collected by government institutions which means whatever organizatons are involved in providing the services the taxes pay for won't need to know my banking details or place of residence.

The TV fees are very different. Here the legacy media companies get a flat sum from everyone (with some exceptions) without consideration for either what burden this places on the individual payer or what funds are really needed to provide the respective services. Politicians only ever have to think about the amount when the companies involved ask for bigger handouts. Instead of considering of these legacy media companies are still needed with the internet and available, or if we need the current excess (with a separate TV station per state plus two for the country overall), these media companies and the politicans that enable them have decided that making their services available online means that everyone is a potential user and must pay. Unlike taxes these fees are not collected by the finace ministry but by a separate organization representing the media companies which automatically receives the place of residence for everyone registered in Germany.

Re:Container Shipping Has Cratered by lynx23 on Thursday May 25, 2023 @02:50AM (#36067768)
No, I am definitely not German, actually, proud not to be.
Re:Container Shipping Has Cratered by ptero on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @07:13AM (#36056382)
> News outlets have deteriorated because they can't make money.

There are taxpayer-supported, nonprofit news sources. They are not any better, spewing the same type of opinionated stuff (propaganda, really).

The need to make money is not the culprit there.

Re:Container Shipping Has Cratered by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @09:44AM (#36057968)
That's still the need to make money. It's just that they're making it from the government, and therefore have to publish what their real customer wants.
Re:Container Shipping Has Cratered by lynx23 on Thursday May 25, 2023 @06:43AM (#36069068)
The problem with these is that the taxpayers did not decide on this cashflow. The government did. And that is why you perceive news as propaganda, because these newsoutlets very well know that they are being payed by the government, and therefore they have to preport what the current government wants to see reported. Its a bit like with ads: The customer is not the consumer, the consumer is the product. The government pays taxpayer money to be able to influence public opinion.
Re:Container Shipping Has Cratered by saintkaye on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @04:07AM (#36055311)
You don’t actually want that or you’d be paying for it already. The problem is that most news doesn’t affect you and the majority that does only affects you in that it excites, scares or entertains you.

It wasn’t that news got bad or people got more evil, it’s that the value of information cratered and now it’s not even expensive enough to come with editors.

Re:Container Shipping Has Cratered by robertlagrant on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @05:23AM (#36055702)
> You don’t actually want that or you’d be paying for it already

Which one are you talking about?

Re:Container Shipping Has Cratered by account42 on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @07:38AM (#36056615)
> The problem is that most news doesn’t affect you.

There is plenty of news that affect me, it just happens to (mostly) not be covered in the news. And when it is it is often propaganda rather than even remotely unbiased reporting.

Re:Container Shipping Has Cratered by lynx23 on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @07:55AM (#36056749)
Is it possible we know each other from StackOverflow perhaps? Because I remember a bunch of people on there who think it is productive to start a posting with "You don’t actually want that".
Re:Container Shipping Has Cratered by robertlagrant on Thursday May 25, 2023 @08:01AM (#36069641)
I think we met on Reddit? I remember there were loads of people stereotyping Stack Overflow people on there.
Re:Container Shipping Has Cratered by csunbird on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @04:31AM (#36055450)
I am looking for a neutral, down to the earth style newspaper, focused on world news, not only west/USA. I can definitely pay for that!
Re:Container Shipping Has Cratered by ghaff on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @06:39AM (#36056152)
The Economist has pretty broad world news coverage. You probably won't do better than that. (US outlets are much more US--and to some degree Europe--centric. The US used to have decent weekly news magazines but they basically don't exist any longer and, in any case, were fairly US-centric.
Re:Container Shipping Has Cratered by prox on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @08:12AM (#36056920)
https://ground.news/

It gives ratings on headlines and it helps to get an overview of the news.

Re:Container Shipping Has Cratered by fluidcruft on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @08:25AM (#36057034)
I truly love ground news, but it constantly forgets where you are in the feed when you open an item so you'll be reading down fifty items or so and open one then go back to the list and have to start scrolling from the top again. It really, really wears on you. I wish they would finally fix it. Despite that major annoyance (it really makes me wonder whether they even dogfood), the Blindspot is so interesting I still power through.
Re:Container Shipping Has Cratered by prox on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @08:27AM (#36057059)
Hopefully we have one of the devs reading hackernews :)
Re:Container Shipping Has Cratered by lynx23 on Thursday May 25, 2023 @04:12AM (#36068217)
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Someone please tell 'em about alt tags.