Re:Microtiming in Metallica's “Master of Puppets”
by brookst on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @09:04AM
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…and he did that, consistently, with only a few millisecond variations, on exactly the same beat of the same riff, for the entirety of just that one song, and in live performances?
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Re:Microtiming in Metallica's “Master of Puppets”
by IsTom on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @09:19AM
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Drumming and generally keeping rhythm is a physical thing. You move your body parts (e.g. bopping head, swaying hips etc.) and it couples with how and when you're playing.
Re:Microtiming in Metallica's “Master of Puppets”
by brookst on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @09:57AM
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Are you suggesting his movements in this one measure were so unique that they exactly doubled the length of one eighth note?
At some point I think we have to put the “it was a freak accident that was repeated with precision over and over, forever” argument to bed.
Re:Microtiming in Metallica's “Master of Puppets”
by IsTom on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @11:10AM
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With n=1, for me there is a groove or three that are just muscle memory and I'd need a longer while to sit down and think if asked write them down. They came out from noodling around and coming to "huh, that sounds cool" and I imagine that's not something particularly uncommon for other people too.
Re:Microtiming in Metallica's “Master of Puppets”
by brookst on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @11:25AM
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I think we lost the thread here. I wasn't suggesting Lars had millisecond-level intrinsic timing and an innovative approach to music theory. I was rejecting the idea that this beat came from incompetence. I think developing an interesting groove and being able to play it consistently in a song, and in live performances for years is evidence of drumming competence.
Re:Microtiming in Metallica's “Master of Puppets”
by Jolter on Monday May 29, 2023 @08:02AM
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You don’t play music, do you?
It’s absolutely possible to learn a rhythm, groove or melody wrong, and to rehearse it until it sounds so right, the anything else sounds wrong to you. But your audience would notice.
Re:Microtiming in Metallica's “Master of Puppets”
by colanderman on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @09:56AM
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As a musician, I do not find this surprising at all. It's easy to internalize "incorrect" rhythms and pitches.
Re:Microtiming in Metallica's “Master of Puppets”
by LeonB on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @10:26AM
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"practice makes permanent"
Re:Microtiming in Metallica's “Master of Puppets”
by toolslive on Wednesday May 24, 2023 @02:40AM
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That's why you want to practice _slooowly_ but perfectly before you speed up.
That way mistakes can't take root.
Re:Microtiming in Metallica's “Master of Puppets”
by PeterisP on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @10:18AM
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Did he do that consistently or is it just an artifact seen in a single very heavily edited record? Is the same timing seen in this section of live concert recordings during those years?
Re:Microtiming in Metallica's “Master of Puppets”
by Jolter on Monday May 29, 2023 @06:26AM
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I have not been a metal head for many years but my recollection is that the live albums and bootlegs have timing that varies all over the place. Especially on MoP and Battery, and a few other notable ones (The Four Horsemen) which have complicated rhythms.
Re:Microtiming in Metallica's “Master of Puppets”
by plorkyeran on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @12:54PM
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Yes, that's how playing music works. Whatever you do on your first playthrough is what you'll do on every playthrough if you don't specifically try to change it. Consistently reproducing a mistake is generally much easier than unlearning the mistake.