Bakhmut Is Gone: An Aerial Look at the War’s Destruction

Re:Bakhmut Is Gone: An Aerial Look at the War’s Destruction by imbusy111 on Monday May 22, 2023 @12:02PM (#36033157)

Do you see Ukraine as a sovereign country, that can define its own future, or is it just a puppet state of Russia, like Belarus? Should we still allow redefining borders in Europe in the 21st century?

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Re:Bakhmut Is Gone: An Aerial Look at the War’s Destruction by objektif on Monday May 22, 2023 @12:05PM (#36033185)

Did the US see it as a sovereign country when we orchestrated a coup? Obviously Russia is in the wrong about all this but you have to be able to understand the context here.

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Re:Bakhmut Is Gone: An Aerial Look at the War’s Destruction by imbusy111 on Monday May 22, 2023 @12:36PM (#36033604)

who is this "we"? what coup?

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Re:Bakhmut Is Gone: An Aerial Look at the War’s Destruction by objektif on Monday May 22, 2023 @12:54PM (#36033837)

https://www.mearsheimer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Why-t...

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Re:Bakhmut Is Gone: An Aerial Look at the War’s Destruction by padjo on Monday May 22, 2023 @02:23PM (#36034852)

He seems to be labouring under the misapprehension that Putin would tolerate a prosperous de-Russified Ukraine. He must never have read any of Putin’s speeches about the glory of the USSR and how it was a mistake to allow Ukraine to be separated from Russia. A vassal state like Belarus is what they wanted but their decapitation attack failed. Now they’re stuck in a quagmire with no clear end in sight. So much for a master strategist

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Re:Bakhmut Is Gone: An Aerial Look at the War’s Destruction by wsc981 on Monday May 22, 2023 @12:06PM (#36033200)

> Do you see Ukraine as a sovereign country ...

To be honest, I am not sure what sovereign means at this point. For example it seems most European countries are just lapdogs of US interests. Which was especially clear when US bombed to German pipeline and Germany acts like nothing has happened.

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Re:Bakhmut Is Gone: An Aerial Look at the War’s Destruction by r2_pilot on Monday May 22, 2023 @12:19PM (#36033382)

Please cite your source with regards to the alleged US pipeline bombing; I currently am unaware of credible sources with any public knowledge of the event in question. I would love to know more, but, surprisingly(/s), not much info has been released.

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Re:Bakhmut Is Gone: An Aerial Look at the War’s Destruction by wsc981 on Monday May 22, 2023 @12:42PM (#36033679)

Don’t need any sources on this, as several US state officials, even Biden, stated they would do this if the US invaded Ukraine.

Biden even stated this in a press conference with Olaf Schulz standing next beside him [0], but again there were more US officials making similar statements.

You can wait for “official” proof, while I am sure US officials weren’t making practical jokes.

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[0]: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OS4O8rGRLf8

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Re:Bakhmut Is Gone: An Aerial Look at the War’s Destruction by jcranmer on Monday May 22, 2023 @02:28PM (#36034923)

I've watched that clip, and quite frankly, looking at the entire context of the press conference and the tone of voice of the answer, it's clear to me that he wasn't in the middle of planning any attempts to sabotage the pipeline.

Recall that this is a press conference essentially announcing that Germany agreed NordStream 2 will not open if Russia openly invades Ukraine, that Biden is (by this time) sitting on very reliable evidence saying that Russia is planning to imminently openly invade Ukraine, and the reporter is asking "okay, what if Russia doesn't openly invade Ukraine?", whereupon the answer is effectively "that's not gonna happen."

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Re:Bakhmut Is Gone: An Aerial Look at the War’s Destruction by lisasays on Monday May 22, 2023 @03:06PM (#36035360)

Right -- all that was ever said at the time was that the pipeline would be put on hold. Not "bombed" as the commenter above yours is perfectly aware.

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Re:Bakhmut Is Gone: An Aerial Look at the War’s Destruction by lisasays on Monday May 22, 2023 @02:18PM (#36034775)

Several US state officials, even Biden, stated they would do this if the US invaded Ukraine.

They stated what, specifically? That they would literally bomb the pipeline?

You need to be at least a little more careful with these cognitive distortions you're pushing. Remember, in order for them to work - they need to be at least logically plausible, and in some way grounded in believable, every day reality.

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