My theory is that many “educated” people were never taught to write properly. Gpt is teaching people what they should have learned in grade school: how to write clearly.

I don't know about that. I think ChatGPT's output is very repetitive and fluffy, and their style thus becomes similar—not necessarily a positive habit.

And that writing will be used to train future models until a stiff, logical proof/Rube-Goldberg style of writing becomes the standard everyone adopts (hopefully not).

With logical proof styles, that requires active thought, reasoning and rationalizing, amidst other things. It's easy to blag things with fluff and repetition, which is why so many people are hired out of their depth into inappropriate positions.

Average ChatGPT output for the most part reminds me of the average British politician who can waffle on until you stop them, talking about all the aspects of something, but never really answering your question with all that much substance and depth, sometimes not even answering it whatsoever. Very "30,000 foot view".

That’s the kind of writing you are supposed to have learned in grade school. Not good writing, just clear enough to pass.

Good writing only comes from writing lots of things that other people actually want to read. Course work is poorly structured for that, it isn’t peer review.

Chatgpt is pretty terrible at writing anything slightly nuanced, maybe that's why it feels so high school essay like.

I think the even more "high school essay" trait is it's tendency to infodump its marginally relevant general knowledge of the subject matter. Look at all the stuff I've learned, isn't it impressive!

And whilst it's bad at being nuanced, it's even worse at being opinionated because its guide rails and human testers alike love its answers to be qualified with generic caveats like "depends on the specific situation"...

> it's tendency to infodump

If you ask me, this is very "con-artisty".

A ChatGPT answer looks exactly like a politician that doesn't want to tell you the answer to your question.

It also has a "high schooler" style, but mostly because of the rigid form it uses. If actual high schoolers throw random content in their essays like ChatGPT does, they will get negative points for that.

Yeah. Ask it a question and it will tell you everything about it but never the exact answer you are looking for. It takes prompts like be concise and direct, or only give one word, or the like to make it anything better. Sometimes first asking it to give a small answer and then explain step by step works well though.

My time on Everything2 saw a dramatic improvement between the writing style that I started with and what it had progressed to when I became less active/left. In that time I wrote nearly 800 nodes over the course of 4 years.

Having a diary is one thing - having creative writing that is in the open and subject to criticism and encouraging refinement is quite another.

Is it teaching people anything? I suspect it's just enabling the "author" to spend even less time actively thinking about whatever task they're performing.

I’ve learned from gpt. Did it teach me? In the same way books teach me things, yes, it did. I could have learned the same things on my own with much more reading, but you don’t always know what to read when working on a problem. Gpt has read everything, and can tell you answers to questions you don’t even know to ask. Like “how do the complete works of two authors (I’ve never read) relate?” Sure it gives a nonsensical answer quite often, but that doesn’t really matter. I can verify what I need to verify on my own, just as I would any other unreliable source of information (like CNN, aljazeera, etc…)

Except that `simultaneously` is acknowledging the comment I replied to whilst making it clear that what I'm noticing is different to that, but not negating their comment.

What you've demonstrated is ableism in action. Congrats, you grammar nazi'd an ADHD autistic who hasn't had their meds trying to tap out a message on a virtual keyboard in a throwaway remark on HN. If this is what the future is like then God help us all.

Simultaneously is redundant with "also": "I'm also noticing" and "Simultaneously, I'm noticing" both imply a reference to an external thought. You could drop 'also' instead of 'simultaneously' if you're worried about ambiguity in terms of the nature of your acknowledgement.

ps: I tapped out a message on my virtual keyboard, and didn't take my ADHD meds yet either. I guess where we differ is that I didn't use my condition to attack anyone for ableism just because they didn't agree with me.

I unironically sometimes reply to people in real life with "as an online AI language model, I don't have any intentions or opinions. Is there anything else I can do to help?"

+1 chatGPT style is so close for what I've been trying to reach since a while ago, also I am so vulnerable to style and phrase stealing, I am seriously concerned that people will think that I am a robot.