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Re:Neeva (search engine with a privacy and AI focus) is shut... by jimsimmons on Saturday May 20, 2023 @03:31PM (#36014843)
At least on HN can we stop parroting this supposed open book strategy from 5D chess Nadella?

Bing has failed to take away meaningful marketshare from Google by MSFT’s on admission

https://www.theinformation.com/articles/microsoft-eyes-firef...

Re:Neeva (search engine with a privacy and AI focus) is shut... by mrtranscendence on Saturday May 20, 2023 @03:42PM (#36014930)
Anecdotally, after the first wave of excitement I don’t know anyone who still uses Bing chat. The value add in chat-augmented search isn’t huge IMO, and forcing the use of Edge doesn’t help.
Re:Neeva (search engine with a privacy and AI focus) is shut... by vstollen on Saturday May 20, 2023 @06:44PM (#36016339)
I find lots of value in chat-augmented search. But, Bing is not ready yet. It is slow, hallucinates, only vaguely cites its sources and is therefore not trustworthy.

On the other hand, I am really happy with https://phind.com and find myself using it if I struggle to understand some concept.

For me, the power of the chat based apps is that I can explain my mental model and they can directly build upon that.

Re:Neeva (search engine with a privacy and AI focus) is shut... by stOneskull on Sunday May 21, 2023 @03:07AM (#36018648)
it works a lot better than bing search at least
Re:Neeva (search engine with a privacy and AI focus) is shut... by quickthrower2 on Saturday May 20, 2023 @05:35PM (#36015836)
Restaurants didn’t kill the supermarket.

I still use Google, but sometimes I use ChatGPT where I may have used Google.

But having said that we are still early. If ChatGPT gets access to current information and can quote sources, pull out pertinent parts of web pages, etc then I might stop using Google.

That would be like a restaurant that lets you eat then leave with your weekly shop but at costco prices.

Re:Neeva (search engine with a privacy and AI focus) is shut... by Andrex on Saturday May 20, 2023 @11:58PM (#36017894)
I feel like my Google searches are too short and precise in general; if I were to try getting the same information from an informal AI chat, it's a huge loss of productivity and efficiency I'd imagine.

Google: "<local restuarant>" = Full page of information including reviews, links to order delivery, directions, etc. All in a standard UI that doesn't change from restaurant to restaurant. Muscle memory takes over.

ChatGPT: "Tell me about <local restaurant>" = Blurb of text that may or may not be useful.

People, including myself, have asked Google a lot of straight-up questions over the years, and those use cases match well with generative AI. But the overall point of a search engine is to find something on the internet, and I don't think that's going to go away.

Re:Neeva (search engine with a privacy and AI focus) is shut... by fauigerzigerk on Sunday May 21, 2023 @04:15AM (#36018902)
>But the overall point of a search engine is to find something on the internet, and I don't think that's going to go away.

The question is to what extent this "something" is answers to questions or content that is only useful in its original format.