Ask HN: Is “AI” just a giant plagorizing machine?

Re:Ask HN: Is “AI” just a giant plagorizing machine? by spondylosaurus on Saturday May 20, 2023 @02:40PM (#36014467)

There's a pretty significant gap between being able to give reasons and being able to actually reason (as a verb). The latter requires complex cognitive faculties not present in a mathematical model of the English language.

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Re:Ask HN: Is “AI” just a giant plagorizing machine? by jstx1 on Saturday May 20, 2023 @02:46PM (#36014509)

LLMs are tool, the important question to ask of a tool is "is this useful", not "does it work like my brain does". I don't see why you care about the internals, and not about the actual outputs.

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Re:Ask HN: Is “AI” just a giant plagorizing machine? by spondylosaurus on Saturday May 20, 2023 @02:52PM (#36014545)

This comment chain wasn't about outputs, it was specifically about whether or not LLMs "reason"—precisely the internals. I feel like you're just moving the goalposts now to deflect from the original question.

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Re:Ask HN: Is “AI” just a giant plagorizing machine? by jstx1 on Saturday May 20, 2023 @02:59PM (#36014599)

> This comment chain wasn't about outputs

My point was that it should be.

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Re:Ask HN: Is “AI” just a giant plagorizing machine? by rowanG077 on Saturday May 20, 2023 @03:26PM (#36014788)

Considering we can't even define what "complex cognitive faculties" are you are just talking up air castles at this point.

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Re:Ask HN: Is “AI” just a giant plagorizing machine? by cjbprime on Saturday May 20, 2023 @11:41PM (#36017822)

> The latter requires complex cognitive faculties not present in a mathematical model of the English language.

The training is on images and text, and the output is text. But nothing constrains the model in the middle of those two ends to only model based on language features, as opposed to world features discoverable from the language and images.

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