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Re:Don Knuth Plays with ChatGPT by Waterluvian on Saturday May 20, 2023 @12:48PM (#36013473)
Wow. Seriously? It can make an inference like that?

I wonder if “optimystic” shows up at all in the training data or if this was purely from some ability to detect those two source words.

Re:Don Knuth Plays with ChatGPT by lionkor on Saturday May 20, 2023 @12:58PM (#36013572)
Its the problem with fully proprietary AI like this: You cannot prove that this question and this answer wasnt in the training set, so you cannot argue for its ability to infer or reason.
Re:Don Knuth Plays with ChatGPT by 20after4 on Saturday May 20, 2023 @03:58PM (#36015037)
You can't prove that they aren't answering ChatGPT questions with real humans, either.
Re:Don Knuth Plays with ChatGPT by lionkor on Sunday May 21, 2023 @04:52AM (#36019064)
You're making my point for me. Exactly, a fully closed source language model cannot be evaluated because there is no way to know why it replies the way it does. My point exactly.
Re:Don Knuth Plays with ChatGPT by 20after4 on Tuesday May 23, 2023 @03:17AM (#36040989)
Yeah, I agree, and I didn't really mean for my reply to be a rebuttal to your point at all. :)
Re:Don Knuth Plays with ChatGPT by jonahx on Saturday May 20, 2023 @01:55PM (#36014053)
Short answer: for all practical purposes, yes, it can and it does.

For each specific example, there is no way to tell for sure (afaik) if the example was in the training set. But you can easily run some experiments yourself, inventing your own words which would not likely be in the training set, especially when taken together.

I have done this, and GPT4 will frequently make inferences on par with the "optimystic" one. For example I just tried "surfrandma" and it said "It appears to be a combination of the words "surf" and "grandma", but without additional context, it's challenging to provide a precise meaning."

Re:Don Knuth Plays with ChatGPT by Sharlin on Saturday May 20, 2023 @02:19PM (#36014291)
It can do so much more that the fact that it can go from "optimystic" to "optimistic" and "mystic" is extremely mundane in comparison.
Re:Don Knuth Plays with ChatGPT by Waterluvian on Saturday May 20, 2023 @03:31PM (#36014842)
Like what? And how does one measure that it is more impressive or less mundane?
Re:Don Knuth Plays with ChatGPT by Sharlin on Saturday May 20, 2023 @04:38PM (#36015372)
Like just about anything. And the measure is something like "does someone who has spent some time with GPT-4 find it at all surprising that it can do X". A posteriori, it would be much more surprising if GPT-4 failed to resolve "optimystic" to "mystic" and "optimistic".