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Re:People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to ... by throwawayadvsec on Saturday May 20, 2023 @09:35AM (#36011818)
The first step would be to understand that rehab is not the solution to any kind of problem.

Rehab is about making a lot of money, not healing people, they benefit from relapsing, they have zero incentive to help people.

Re:People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to ... by s1artibartfast on Saturday May 20, 2023 @09:55AM (#36011959)
This is a typical overly cynical and overly online take. I think it would be dispelled by talking to or being friends with a single person that works in rehab
Re:People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to ... by currymj on Saturday May 20, 2023 @10:17AM (#36012116)
there are certain places where a lot of dubious, predatory drug rehab facilities have popped up in the last decade, since health insurance now has to pay for it, yet it's not quite regulated like other healthcare. if you see a lot of these it can make you very cynical.
Re:People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to ... by s1artibartfast on Saturday May 20, 2023 @10:28AM (#36012199)
I'm sure bad things happen, but to embrace all or nothing cynicism is to reject reality.

It is pathological in it's own right to paint the world with such broad and biased brushstrokes.

Re:People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to ... by vlunkr on Saturday May 20, 2023 @10:03AM (#36012012)
You could apply this to countless professions.

Plumbing is about making a lot of money, they benefit from you pipes leaking again.

We just have to hope that human beings actually care about their work.

Re:People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to ... by denton-scratch on Saturday May 20, 2023 @10:16AM (#36012106)
Rehab helps about a quarter of the people it treats - provided you accept that they'll probably need multiple rounds of treatment. It's wicked to encourage the belief that a single round of rehab, followed by lots of willpower, is likely to solve problems.
Re:People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to ... by Retric on Saturday May 20, 2023 @10:24AM (#36012174)
Single rounds of rehab do sometimes work, and longer sessions have better changes. Willpower is part of it, but often completely changing one’s social circle is critical.
Re:People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to ... by pixl97 on Saturday May 20, 2023 @10:45AM (#36012339)
Commenting under you on the entire subthread here....

I think this is a two part problem. If you talk to a particular therapist/counselor it would be very rare to find one that doesn't want to see you get better. In general the people at this level are empathetic and do care.

But above that there is a 'rehab system'. You start moving away from the people that want to see other people get better towards that people that want to see the system make as much as much money as possible no matter the cost.

We talk about systems like this all the time here on HN with the term 'Molochs'. Systems where the individual optimum would be X, where X is things people actually like and think are good. Instead the system optimizes towards Y, where Y is far worse outcome for individuals, and individuals are seemingly powerless to stop the system from optimizing on Y.

https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/

Re:People who die by suicide want to stop suffering, not to ... by d0gsg0w00f on Saturday May 20, 2023 @01:20PM (#36013737)
Cleaning houses is about making money too. Eventually you're going to be ready to keep the house clean after they leave.