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Re:Ozempic drug supresses desire to smoke, drink and more by remote_phone on Friday May 19, 2023 @10:47PM (#36008945)
I heard that 2/3 of the weight loss is muscle, do you find that to be the case?
Re:Ozempic drug supresses desire to smoke, drink and more by paulpauper on Friday May 19, 2023 @10:58PM (#36008984)
this is likely incorrect because people are confusing lean body weight loss for muscle loss. lean body weight loss does not mean only muscle loss. lean weight includes non muscle like skin, organs, etc.
Re:Ozempic drug supresses desire to smoke, drink and more by adamduren on Friday May 19, 2023 @11:45PM (#36009197)
Drugs that target the GLP-1 and GIP pathways can suppress appetite, potentially leading to a significant caloric deficit.

This can lead to the body to break down muscle tissue to obtain protein for energy which could lead to a loss of lean muscle mass

However, maintaining regular exercise and consuming sufficient protein can help to minimize the impact of lean muscle mass loss

Re:Ozempic drug supresses desire to smoke, drink and more by sjtgraham on Saturday May 20, 2023 @12:30AM (#36009392)
Protein is not what the body reaches for first in the absence of glucose/glycogen.
Re:Ozempic drug supresses desire to smoke, drink and more by sn9 on Saturday May 20, 2023 @08:41PM (#36016934)
This is true but it's still extremely well established that you lose some muscle along with fat if you're in a prolonged caloric deficit without sufficient protein and strength training.
Re:Ozempic drug supresses desire to smoke, drink and more by pasquinelli on Friday May 19, 2023 @11:49PM (#36009215)
not just lost muscle mass, but also lost organ mass?
Re:Ozempic drug supresses desire to smoke, drink and more by imtringued on Saturday May 20, 2023 @06:07AM (#36010626)
If that means visceral fat then it would be a godsend.
Re:Ozempic drug supresses desire to smoke, drink and more by voldacar on Friday May 19, 2023 @11:56PM (#36009249)
Obese people do not have enough muscle mass for 2/3 of their weight loss to be muscle
Re:Ozempic drug supresses desire to smoke, drink and more by EatingWithForks on Saturday May 20, 2023 @12:52AM (#36009467)
Obese people can actually be pretty muscular in my experience, due to their need to heft around their size. It's their endurance that isn't there since their hearts are quite weak.
Re:Ozempic drug supresses desire to smoke, drink and more by travisjungroth on Saturday May 20, 2023 @01:20AM (#36009565)
It still won't get you to the 2/3 point making sense. If someone is 250 lbs and 35% BF and they lost 50 lbs, 2/3 of which was lean, they'd end up 200 lbs and 35.5% BF. That's possible, but I don't know if anyone would be recommending it at that point.
Re:Ozempic drug supresses desire to smoke, drink and more by sn9 on Saturday May 20, 2023 @08:39PM (#36016918)
Peter Attia made a video recently using precisely that observation as the reason he avoids prescribing it except as a last resort, and only then when he can get patients to increase their protein intake and start strength training while getting a DEXA before and after to keep track of the relative changes in body fat percentage.

The problem is apparently that studies only use change in weight instead of body composition, so doctors have to be aware of that and get the patient measured themselves to make sure they're actually getting leaner instead of losing weight but getting "more obese".

Re:Ozempic drug supresses desire to smoke, drink and more by reaperman on Saturday May 20, 2023 @09:45PM (#36017258)
> The problem is apparently that studies only use change in weight instead of body composition

Misinformation. Many of the studies track total fat, lean body mass, visceral fat, and literally dozens of other secondary outcomes/endpoints. See an example of such results here: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/results/NCT03548935

This has already been covered yesterday in sibling comments about the NCT03548935 study and Peter Attia being in general a source of misinformation.

Here are some other semaglutide studies which track lean body mass specifically: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=Semaglutide&term...

Re:Ozempic drug supresses desire to smoke, drink and more by reaperman on Saturday May 20, 2023 @12:18AM (#36009335)
In an actual study of this with published results on clinicaltrials.gov …

Semaglutide users lost 16% bodyweight overall but only 3.4% of their lean mass.

This is study NCT03548935 if you’d like to look it up, there are other statistics of interest in it as well.

Re:Ozempic drug supresses desire to smoke, drink and more by hombre_fatal on Saturday May 20, 2023 @01:05AM (#36009519)
That’s not what the research says though. Just FUD that some influencers like Attia are spreading for some reason.
Re:Ozempic drug supresses desire to smoke, drink and more by paulpauper on Saturday May 20, 2023 @01:18AM (#36009559)
the reason is to buy diet programs and coaching, this drug threatens their business model.
Re:Ozempic drug supresses desire to smoke, drink and more by rblatz on Saturday May 20, 2023 @02:43AM (#36009876)
Yeah that was some dude on TikTok selling some diet scam stuff saying that. Or at least that’s where I saw it.
Re:Ozempic drug supresses desire to smoke, drink and more by jmpman on Saturday May 20, 2023 @10:29AM (#36012218)
I don’t have any quantifiable data, but although I’m certain the majority of the weigh has been fat, I’m sure I’ve lost quite a bit of muscle too.