News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:U.S. prison labor programs violate fundamental human righ... by tivert on Friday May 19, 2023 @11:49AM (#36003335)
> Just to point out the detail, slavery is totally legal in the USA AS A PUNISHMENT FOR A CRIME:

>> Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

You're misreading that. The exception applies to involuntary servitude not slavery.

If I'm wrong, prove it: point me to the prison website where they offer convicts for sale.

Re:U.S. prison labor programs violate fundamental human righ... by nosianu on Friday May 19, 2023 @01:46PM (#36004774)
> If I'm wrong, prove it: point me to the prison website where they offer convicts for sale.

But they do - in the modern version. Just like we have - here in my native Germany in a very big way over the last two decades - made actually employing people, as too inflexible and too expensive, a thing of the past for hundreds of thousands, and instead lend them out to companies, you don't need to deal with the hassle of actually owning someone. After all, what does any slave owner actually want? Not the slave, that's just "costs" and a lot of effort (infrastructure, overseers, security etc.). No, all they want is their labor. And that is exactly what those prisons sell, no? All the benefits without the disadvantages in one convenient cheap package.

I have no idea why you focus on the unimportant part of slavery, the one that was always inconvenient for the slave owners, the one that only contributed to the "cost" side of their business.

I would also like to take the liberty of pointing to this page about "Disputing Definitions" when trying to dissect some non-existent god-given very exact and always valid no matter the changing context meaning of some word: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7X2j8HAkWdmMoS8PE/disputing-...

Re:U.S. prison labor programs violate fundamental human righ... by xboxnolifes on Friday May 19, 2023 @03:49PM (#36006068)
You don't need to sell slaves to have slaves.