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Re:U.S. prison labor programs violate fundamental human righ... by marginalia_nu on Friday May 19, 2023 @10:24AM (#36002354)
Norway also has trillions of dollars in its sovereign wealth fund. Like they could all stop working tomorrow and be fine for a couple of years living off their national savings account.
Re:U.S. prison labor programs violate fundamental human righ... by Retric on Friday May 19, 2023 @10:37AM (#36002513)
The returns from that sovereign wealth fund are already included in the GDP figures.
Re:U.S. prison labor programs violate fundamental human righ... by dragonwriter on Friday May 19, 2023 @10:48AM (#36002627)
> The returns from that sovereign wealth fund are already included in the GDP figures.

No, they aren’t (except that the production that produces them is, for domestic investments), because investment returns aren’t finished goods and services, and GDP is the aggregate value of finished goods and services produced. Counting investment returns on top of that would be double counting for domestic investment, and counting something completely outside for foreign investments.

Re:U.S. prison labor programs violate fundamental human righ... by Retric on Friday May 19, 2023 @10:55AM (#36002696)
Sorry, I should have been more clear. By returns I mean the impact on the economy from extracting money from the oil fund which first did in 2016. Essentially the fund had zero impact to their economy before 2016.

There’s significant debate around how much money should be taken from the fund to subsidize government services, but simply having money in an account they aren’t accessing doesn’t change the day to day finances.

Re:U.S. prison labor programs violate fundamental human righ... by marginalia_nu on Friday May 19, 2023 @11:48AM (#36003327)
Being the national equivalent of independently wealthy does sort of change the sort of risks you're able to take, even without actually dipping into the fund. I don't think GDP captures this fact at all.
Re:U.S. prison labor programs violate fundamental human righ... by Retric on Friday May 19, 2023 @12:02PM (#36003508)
I could see that for large R&D projects or something, but I have trouble seeing how that’s related to the penal system.

Recidivism data really lags spending. Remember they need to have left prison 3+ years ago or you don’t know if they will go back in that time period and to have some effect you’re really talking about money allocated 5+ years ago.