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Re:The Maddest My Code Made Anyone by Retric on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @07:52AM (#35973996)
Criticism has zero inherent value. It’s easy to assume that stuff people like is inherently better, but anything with widespread appeal ends up really bland. You can’t do better than simply ok while making everyone happy.

This obviously gives rise to picking an audience, but this idea goes beyond just demographics. There is no greatest book of all time only individual preference which doesn’t result in an absolute rank.

Commercial art is at best a compromise. No artist is going to inherently prefer exactly what the market wants directly, they only want the indirect things associated with that. Aka money, fame etc.

Re:The Maddest My Code Made Anyone by duxup on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @08:54AM (#35974584)
> This obviously gives rise to picking an audience

Even that is hard. App stores are full of negative reviews for apps because X app is not just like Y app…. when X app isn’t at all supposed to be Y app. Or situations where the user simply misunderstood how the app works and etc.

It’s so hard to get things in front of the right audience who understand.

Re:The Maddest My Code Made Anyone by brookst on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @11:00AM (#35976238)
Yes, and it is very very hard to tell prospective customers that a product is not for them. The temptation is always to cast as wide of a net as possible and sell product X as being product Y, often with the best intentions of evolving to be X+Y in a future revision.
Re:The Maddest My Code Made Anyone by deltarholamda on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @09:31AM (#35974989)
>Criticism has zero inherent value.

I get what you're saying here, but part of any art program is critical review of each others' works. You don't have to change what you created, but to hear other perspectives on how it is received is important.

One professor told me how it is, partly, about keeping the artist from falling down their own rabbit hole. Sort of like the story about the servant who followed Marcus Aurelius around to whisper "you are but a man" in his ear. Highly creative types tend to have somewhat fragile mental states, and they can spiral out if not kept in check.

Re:The Maddest My Code Made Anyone by Retric on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @11:00AM (#35976229)
Criticism from a professor is useful for passing, and some things are simply errors in technique.

But from students the content of their critique is less important than what it implies. Did they fail to notice something you were trying to make obvious? That’s useful feedback which can’t be directly included in their criticism. The actual content may also be useful, but it isn’t guaranteed.

So it’s definitely a useful, but not necessary useful as criticism.

Re:The Maddest My Code Made Anyone by yamtaddle on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @03:38PM (#35980173)
I don't get how someone could get really, really good at any sort of creative process without the benefit of encountering and engaging in criticism, of one's own works and of others'. Simply calling out what does and does not work, and why, is criticism and is super helpful for learning how to do things right.
Re:The Maddest My Code Made Anyone by Retric on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @07:49PM (#35982665)
Feedback can tell you if something does or doesn’t work independently from being criticism. For example asking someone to summarize a story you wrote is a great way to see what is or isn’t clear. How would you describe character X’s motivations is another approach.

People naturally want to provide criticism, but it’s surprisingly inefficient without a great deal of context.