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Re:The U.S. birth rate has fallen by 20% since 2007 by mihaic on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @05:34AM (#35973059)
That feels actually anti-rational, since if the people that care about the environment stop having children that means the people that are passing on their life outlook are mostly ignorant of the environment.

It must be a US thing more though, as I haven't personally heard people say fear of environmental damage to keep them from having kids.

Re:The U.S. birth rate has fallen by 20% since 2007 by tonyedgecombe on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @05:43AM (#35973134)
>if the people that care about the environment stop having children that means the people that are passing on their life outlook are mostly ignorant of the environment.

That argument seems rather doubtful to me.

Re:The U.S. birth rate has fallen by 20% since 2007 by mihaic on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @06:01AM (#35973257)
It's not a perfect correlation, but I'd find it hard to believe that children don't share on average more of their outlook on life with their parents than with a random member of society.
Re:The U.S. birth rate has fallen by 20% since 2007 by lapcat on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @06:19AM (#35973362)
It's a pretty bad, very risky "investment" in the environmental cause, though, because by the time your kids are old enough to vote, it'll be almost 20 years later already, the kids will be using up resources while they're growing up regardless of the ultimate outcome, and you can only pray in the end that they'll agree with you on values when they're adults. You can't just pump a new environmentalist out of the womb.
Re:The U.S. birth rate has fallen by 20% since 2007 by lapcat on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @05:44AM (#35973146)
> That feels actually anti-rational, since if the people that care about the environment stop having children that means the people that are passing on their life outlook are mostly ignorant of the environment.

This assumes that parents successfully pass on their life outlook to their children, but if that were true then society would have never changed.

I don't share the life outlook of my parents.

Re:The U.S. birth rate has fallen by 20% since 2007 by somenameforme on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @10:16AM (#35975510)
It's all about averages. People, on average, will share the same broad traits and characteristics as their family. Also, depending on your age, give it a couple of decades. Time and experience have a way of shaping our character in ways we may never have expected, let alone ever desired.
Re:The U.S. birth rate has fallen by 20% since 2007 by lapcat on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @10:34AM (#35975760)
To avoid repeating my comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35973362
Re:The U.S. birth rate has fallen by 20% since 2007 by tivert on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @12:39PM (#35977827)
> This assumes that parents successfully pass on their life outlook to their children, but if that were true then society would have never changed.

> I don't share the life outlook of my parents.

So the climate "birth strike" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35973163) strategy would necessarily have to have two parts to be successful: 1) refuse to have kids, 2) indoctrinate many of the ones that remain to reject their parent's outlook in favor of the strikers' (e.g. through control of the school curriculum).

Re:The U.S. birth rate has fallen by 20% since 2007 by hansworst on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @05:47AM (#35973163)
There’s a movement called birthstrike with people who are refusing to have kids because of concerns around climate change:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/mar/12/birthst...

Re:The U.S. birth rate has fallen by 20% since 2007 by CogitoCogito on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @06:13AM (#35973333)
> That feels actually anti-rational, since if the people that care about the environment stop having children that means the people that are passing on their life outlook are mostly ignorant of the environment.

If your goal is to pass your life outlook to more people in the next generation, I believe you're probably likely to be successful without kids than with them. Without kids you have much more time to reach more people.

Re:The U.S. birth rate has fallen by 20% since 2007 by recursivedoubts on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @08:06AM (#35974113)
it's irrational at the aggregate level, but rational at the individual level

many such cases

(the reverse happens a lot too)

Re:The U.S. birth rate has fallen by 20% since 2007 by revelio on Wednesday May 17, 2023 @01:09PM (#35978259)
Or the ones having kids are actually more rational. Consider:

1. There is no scientific reason to believe the world is doomed. Go read some serious climatology papers and see for yourself. They're unreliable and exaggerated but even so, no doom.

2. State pensions and benefits might actually be doomed though given demographics. If the state can't take care of you in old age, you'd better hope you have kids who will.